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I have the marriage for Sarah Ann and John Andrews in 1865. Her father is given as Benjamin Watson, an engineer. Witnesses were Martha Watson and George Watson. I sent for what I believed to be her birth cert. The parents on this is Martha Watson, formerly Green, and Aaron Watson. I can't find any other cert to fit, and I can't find anything on Benjamin. Any ideas would be welcome. Thank you in advance. Curiosity.
ps. I did wonder about trying to find Benjamin, but not knowing any other names don't know if it's possible.
Update...I have now sent for the birth cert suggested by Vera....fingers crossed

For location................

Marriages Dec 1865

Andrews John ..Sheffield 9c 470
Watson Sarah Ann ..Sheffield 9c 470

What was the occupation of John ANDREWS and what were the ages of bride and groom ?

Gwyn

Hi Gwyn John was 21 and a file cutter, and Sarah was 20.

her birth may not have been registered it wasn't compulsory till 1875

Maybe marriage of parents of Sarah on birth certificate bought ?

Marriages Sep 1845

Belfield Henry Radford 15 841
Burnham Emma Radford 15 841
Daykin Sylvia Radford 15 841
FLETCHER John Radford 15 841
GREEN Martha Radford 15 841 <<<<<<<<<<<
LANCASTER Emma Radford 15 841
SAXTON John Radford 15 841
Watson Aaron Radford 15 841 <<<<<<

Is this them in 1881 children born Sheffield which ties with the marriage district

1881 census transcription details for: 22, Woodland St, Nether Hallam

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4625
Folio: 14
Page: 20
Reg. District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub District: Nether Hallam
Parish: Nether Hallam
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 22, Woodland St, Nether Hallam
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ANDREWS, John Head Married M 36 1845 File Cutter
Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
ANDREWS, Sarah A Wife Married F 35 1846
Retford, Nottinghamshire
ANDREWS, Frederic W Son Single M 14 1867 File Cutter
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ANDREWS, John T Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ANDREWS, George H Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ANDREWS, Albert Son Single M 4 1877
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ANDREWS, Mary A Daughter Single F 1 1880
Sheffield, Yorkshire

Gwyn, yes, that's the ref. i have but not the cert. yet in case it's wrong. Yes Shirley, you're right as well.

1861
1861 census transcription details for: 25, Nether House Farm House, Bradfield Lamb Hill, Bradfield

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3460
Folio: 8
Page: 9
Reg. District: Wortley
Sub District: 6 Bradfield
Parish: Bradfield
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Bradfield Chapelry
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 25, Nether House Farm House, Bradfield Lamb Hill, Bradfield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOBSON, Hannah Head Widow F 63 1798 Farmer Of 36 Acres
Bradfield, Yorkshire
HOBSON, John Son Married M 36 1825 Farm Manager
Bradfield, Yorkshire
HOBSON, Ann Wife Married F 31 1830 Farmers Wife
Bradfield, Yorkshire
HOBSON, Frederick Son M 4 1857 Scholar
Bradfield, Yorkshire
HOBSON, Septimus Son M 3 1858 Scholar
Bradfield, Yorkshire
HOBSON, Charles J Son M 4 1857
Bradfield, Yorkshire
SHAW, Thomas H Servant Unmarried M 18 1843 General Farm Serv
Huddersfield, Yorkshire
BOWER, Thomas Servant M 11 1850 General Farm Serv
Bradfield, Yorkshire
WATSON, Sarah A Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 General Farm Serv
Retford, Nottinghamshire>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Shirley, I haven't seen that. The birth area is the same as on the censuses (Retford, Nottinghamshire) The cert I have is Radford, which I thought was Nottingham

Retford was a registration district too

EAST RETFORD REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Nottinghamshire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.5.2005 (to become part of Bassetlaw registration district).
Sub-districts : Clarborough, East Retford, Gringley, Tunford.
GRO volumes : XV (1837–51), 7b (1852–1946), 3C (1946–74), 8 (1974–92).
Registers now held by : Nottinghamshire.

In subsequent census she states Gainsborough, Lincs. Can't find her in 1851 with Benjamin, father.

1901 England Census
about Sarah A Andrews Name: Sarah A Andrews
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: Owlerton St John
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
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Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 105
Piece: 4343
Folio: 109
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age

Sarah A Andrews 55
George H Andrews 27
Edith Andrews 27
Annie E Andrews 19
Arthur Andrews 13
Alice Andrews 1 Month
Ada Webster 30
Harriett A Webster 20


England Census
about Sarah Ann Andrews Name: Sarah Ann Andrews
Age in 1911: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gainsboro, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 22 Woodland Street Sheffield EDIT original has 22
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: None
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Registration District Number: 509
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall North
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 27717
Household Members: Name Age
William Woller 52 EDIT this family from No 24 Woodland Street
Lucy Woller 50
Hany Woller 25
Torn Woller 25
Clara Woller 19
Elsey Woller 13
Fred Woller 11
Sarah Ann Andrews 65
George Henry Andrews 37
Arthur Andrews 23
Charlotte Marshall 63
Charles Marshall 39

Vera

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Sarah Ann Watson Name: Sarah Ann Watson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1845
Registration district: Gainsborough
Inferred County: Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire
Volume: 14
Page: 311 (click to see others on page)

Vera

Vera, thank you, I have those censuses, but not that birth ref. I must have missed that one.

Probably a wild one

This Sarah Ann born Linconshire. Marton comes under Gainsborough reg.
Other children born Nottingham one Retford.

Mother Mary re-married by 1861 to a chap first name Bentley who is an engine fitter.

1851 England Census
about Sarah Watson Name: Sarah Watson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Watson
Mother's name: Mary Watson
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Morton, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Clarborough
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: East Retford
Sub-registration district: Gringley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 2121
Folio: 262
Page Number: 9

Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Watson 30
Mary Watson 31
Harriet Watson 9
George Watson 7
Sarah Watson 5
Eliza Watson 3
Fanny Watson 1

1861 England Census
about Mary Godfrey Name: Mary Godfrey
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Bentley Godfrey
Gender: Female
Where born: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Pitsmoor
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 3497
Folio: 40
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age

Bentley Godfrey 25
Mary Godfrey 40
Harriet Watson 19
Fanny Watson 11
Mary Watson 10
Tom Henry Watson 8
Frederick Godfrey 2
Annie Godfrey 1

Vera

and this George married a Martha. Possibly Sarah Ann's brother and the witnesses at her wedding.

1871 England Census
about George Watson Name: George Watson
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Watson
Gender: Male
Where born: Morton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Ecclesall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 4673
Folio: 82
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
George Watson 27
Martha Watson 26
Thomas Watson 4
Lucy Ann Watson 2

Vera

Thank you Vera, that's something to ponder on.

I'm waiting for a birth cert. with bated breath.

fingers crossed and toes.

Vera

Hi everyone, have just received birth cert, suggested by Vera. The fathers name on this is Thomas, a brick layer. The mothers name is Mary Watson, can't read maiden name, it's something like Barthorpe. I was looking for Benjamin, an engineer, now I'm stumped, again. :-( :

Curiosity

That was just what I was expecting. The name Thomas links with the census for that family where Sarah appeared with Thomas and Mary in 1851.
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By 1861, Thomas has died and Mary has re-married to a Bentley Godfrey who was an engine fitter. Sarah is out of the house at that time.

My feeling was that when Sarah got married she quoted her father as being Benjamin and it is possible the registrar assumed his surname was Watson.
Also at her marriage the witnesses were George and Martha. Sarah had a brother called George who married a Martha. He too was born in Lincolnshire

I have never been able to find anything on a Benjamin as father of Sarah.

Vera