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Mandy
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4 Jul 2012 09:13 |
Hi MarieCeleste, thanks for this. William might not have gone to the States at all I suppose? he was the eldest, and doesn't appear in the Paull household in the 1861 Census so I assume he'd left home by then, and maybe married? However, this might also support the record of his death in 1857?
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2012 18:15 |
A possibility for William, Nevada is the next state west from Utah:
California, Voter Registers, 1866-1898 Name: William Paull Residence Year: 1884 Residence Place: Nevada, California Age: 47 Birth Year: abt 1837
Was born in England, naturalised 25 Aug 1873.
There are so many Paulls it's not possible really to say if this is him. There is a tree on Ancestry (unsourced, so not reliable) that has him dying 1857.
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2012 18:10 |
Mandy, I believe passports weren't generally necessary until the early 1900s. It was around the start of WW1 that they became used in conjunction with the "British Nationality and Status Aliens Act 1914".
But it may well be that the passage was booked before they married so she travelled in the name that the booking was made.
I'll see if I can find anything on William ...
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Jul 2012 09:58 |
The info about the Paulls is from Family search site and is submitted info by three researchers.
You could try to contact them via the family search . dont know if that's possible. They may have just copied each other tho !!!
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Mandy
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3 Jul 2012 09:42 |
Thanks for all the information. Marie Celeste, the marriage record for Charles and Alice is 05/09/1870 in Lambeth Surrey. I was given this information by another GR Member also related to the Paulls, so just assumed it was right. I don't know where they got it from, but it is also on freebmd. I wonder if they went to America straight after their marriage and Alice had to travel in her maiden name because of her passport? (This happens to most people who go abroad on honeymoon today, so maybe it was the same then?) Sounds like Thomas Paull was married before he went to the States, so I'll have a look for that. Just got to find out what happened to William Paull now! I wonder if he went to the States as well?
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2012 00:06 |
Alice's death:
Utah Cemetery Inventory Name: Alice Paull Birth Date: 19 Sep 1846 Death Date: 8 Sep 1910 Burial Date: 13 September 1910 Cemetery: Logan City Cemetery Source: Sexton / Grant Grave Location: A_ 30_ 62_ 7 Relatives: Father Daniel Fry Mother Ellen Deane
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MarieCeleste
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2 Jul 2012 23:56 |
Found this article about a chap who married a daughter of Charles and Alice:
All Utah Since Statehood, Volumes 1-4
C. H. Johnson, manager for the Continental Oil Company at Logan, where he was born in 1883, is a son of Jacob C. and Bertholine (Madson) Johnson, who were natives of Denmark. Jacob C. Johnson came to Utah in 1878 and the mother arrived in this state a few years later, while their respective parents removed to Utah in 1890. Jacob Johnson first took up his abode at Logan, where he did contract railroad work in connection with his brother for about three years. He then became identified with the express business and in 1891 became a factor in connection with the oil business of the state. He managed the first plant of the Continental Oil Company at Logan and continued in charge of the business for twenty-three years, when he resigned, His record was indeed a most creditable one, for his long connection with the corporation indicates most clearly his capability, loyalty and fidelity. He was city judge for a year prior to his death, which occurred March 9, 1917. He had also filled the office of constable for two years at an earlier period. In the work of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints he took an active and helpful interest. He was an elder in the church, was first counselor to the president of elders of the fifth quorum, and did everything in his power to advance the interests of the church. The mother of C. H. Johnson is still living at the age of sixty-two years. Reared under the parental roof, C. H. Johnson acquired his education in the schools of Logan and in the spring of 1908 went on a mission to Denmark, returning on the 10th of May, 1910. He then entered the employ of the Continental Oil Company. He had previously had experience along that line, having worked in the business with his father for about five years, and when the latter retired as manager the son was appointed his successor and has continued in the position to the present time. Mr. Johnson displays keen sagacity and enterprise in its control and that he is a worthy successor of his father is indicated in the fact that he has continuously been retained in the position.
In 1912 Mr. Johnson was married to Miss Lillie Paull, a daughter of Charles and Alice (Fry) Paull, who were natives of England and came to Utah about 1867. He settled first at Logan and was employed at mill work in the Logan canyon. In 1871 he took up railroad work and for two years was employed as a fireman, after which he served as engineer for thirty-eight years, pulling the train at the time the golden spike was driven at Promontory which indicated the completion of the two lines by the joining of the two extensions that had been made from the east and the west. At all times he was chosen as the engineer to run the train for the president, as he was considered most careful and reliable in this connection. He, too, was a stanch follower of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mr. and Mrs. Johnson have become parents of two children, Paull W. and C. Hillman. Mr. Johnson and his family are well known in Logan, where they have an extensive circle of warm friends. Like his father, Mr. Johnson remains a devoted follower of the church and is the first counselor to the Fifth Quorum of Elders. He is an alert, energetic and enterprising man and these qualities have made him a capable factor in business life, while his progressiveness in citizenship has caused him to be numbered among the most substantial residents of Logan. Every plan or project that has to do with the upbuilding of the city may be sure of his support and cooperation.
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MarieCeleste
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2 Jul 2012 23:49 |
You said Charles and Alice went to America shortly after their marriage in 1870, this immigration record indicates otherwise:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Charles Paul Arrival Date: 22 Sep 1870 Birth Year: abt 1847 Age: 23 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: British (English) Place of Origin: Great Britain Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Ship Name: Idaho
He is travelling with an Alice Fry, spinster.
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MarieCeleste
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2 Jul 2012 23:30 |
The info that Shirley posted regarding the death of Lewis suggests that he was married three times. I don't know what the source of that info is.
The death record I found for Elizabeth is 10 years after that for Lewis. Unless he was married before he wed Elizabeth perhaps he was polygamous as they were in Salt Lake City?
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MarieCeleste
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2 Jul 2012 23:20 |
Possibly Thomas arriving in US:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Thos Paull Arrival Date: 19 Sep 1883 Birth Year: abt 1843 Age: 40 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: London, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Ship Name: Grecian Monarch
Occupation = bricklayer. He's accompanied by a "Mrs Paull" also age 40.
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MarieCeleste
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2 Jul 2012 23:08 |
This looks to be Elizabeth's death:
Utah Cemetery Inventory Name: Elixabeth Paull Birth Date: 19 Nov 1813 Death Date: 2 Mar 1889 Burial Date: 5 March 1889 Cemetery: Logan City Cemetery Source: Sexton / Grant Grave Location: A_ 30_ 62_ 3 ____________________________________________
and Thomas'
Utah Cemetery Inventory Name: Thomas Paull Birth Date: 13 Jun 1843 Death Date: 11 Feb 1893 Burial Date: 13 February 1893 Cemetery: Logan City Cemetery Source: Sexton / Grant Grave Location: A_ 30_ 63_ 8 Relatives: Mother Elizabeth North Father Lewis Paull ____________________________________________________
Charles:
Utah Cemetery Inventory Name: Charles Paull Birth Date: 7 Mar 1847 Death Date: 30 Aug 1911 Burial Date: 3 September 1911 Cemetery: Logan City Cemetery Source: Sexton / Grant Grave Location: A_ 30_ 62_ 8 Relatives: Mother Elizabeth North Father Lewis Paull
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MarieCeleste
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2 Jul 2012 20:53 |
There are quite a lot of records for various Paulls arriving in different ports in the US, will have a sift through.
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2 Jul 2012 20:45 |
Looks like Charlotte was only in US a few months before she died:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charlotte Paull Arrival Date: 20 Jul 1863 Birth Year: abt 1841 Age: 22 Gender: Female Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: British (English) Place of Origin: Great Britain Port of Departure: London, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Ship Name: Amazon
The image is very poor and it's almost impossible to make out who she travelled with (if anyone)
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Mandy
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2 Jul 2012 20:05 |
Hello again! I've unmarked this thread as answered now, because the extra info raises more questions! I didn't know that Charlotte Paul had died in the US. She appears on the 1861 Census, but must have gone to the States soon after, as she died in 1863. Her brother Charles and his wife Alice went to Utah shortly after their marriage in 1870 and I have information on their family from another GR Member. I also didn't know that Lewis had died in the US, I don't know when he went, but that answers the question of why him and his wife were visiting family on the 1871 Census. I assume his wife went with him to the States? It also says that he had 3 marriages, so what happened to Elizabeth? I can't find anything else about Thomas and William, I wonder if they went to the US as well? Sorry for all these extra questions, but I'm not sure where to find the information, so any help gratefully received. Thanks
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Mandy
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2 Jul 2012 19:15 |
Wow, what a lot of information! Thank you so much! Another interesting name variation too -1841 Census for Eve Paull shows her living with the Foneys, rather than the Forseys, who are also related to my family!
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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2 Jul 2012 17:11 |
1841 census
Name: Eve Paull Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Gender: Female Where born: Somerset, England Civil parish: Winsham Hundred: East Kingsbury County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
View image Registration district: Chard Sub-registration district: Chard Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 949 Book: 10 Folio: 24 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Eve Paull 60 John Foney 5 Sarah Foney 4 Jane Foney 1 Frances Foney 30
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 949; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Winsham; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 24; Page: 5; Line: 4; GSU roll: 474600.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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2 Jul 2012 17:07 |
groom's name: Thomas Paul groom's birth date: groom's birthplace: groom's age: bride's name: Eve Tucker bride's birth date: bride's birthplace: bride's age: marriage date: 15 Jun 1801 marriage place: Dowlish Wake, Somerset, England groom's father's name: groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: I05327-1 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1526604 reference number: Item 13
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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2 Jul 2012 17:03 |
name: Charlotte Paull gender: Female burial date: burial place: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah death date: 06 Oct 1863 death place: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah age: birth date: 1841 birthplace: Winshum, Somersetshire, England occupation: race: marital status: spouse's name: father's name: Lewis Paull father's birthplace: mother's name: Elizabeth Paull mother's birthplace: indexing project (batch) number: B54932-7 system origin: Utah-EASy source film number: 26553 reference number: p. 63 # 1778
name: Lewis PAULL gender: Male birth: 21 Jul 1811 Broadwinsor, Drstsh, Engl death: 7 Nov 1879 Logan, Cache, UT burial: 10 Nov 1879 Logan, Cache, UT afn: 1PLK-WB Parents father: Thomas PAULL (AFN: 7LZ2-0Q ) mother: Eve TUCKER (AFN: 7LZ2-1W ) Marriages (3) spouse: Elizabeth NORTH (AFN: 1PLK-XH ) marriage: 5 Nov 1833 Winsham, Smrst, Engl Show children (5) spouse: Fanny MAIL (AFN: BF15-
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2 Jul 2012 16:57 |
Hi Shirley, thanks for this, which is the 1871 Census. Interesting variation on surname spelling, 'Porth' is actually 'North', John North is my great great grandfather!
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2 Jul 2012 16:55 |
1861 census transcription details for: Churchill Chardstock National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 1372 Folio: 25 Page: 22 Reg. District: Axminster Sub District: 3 Chardstock Parish: Chardstock Enum. District: 2C Ecclesiastical District: All Saints City/Municipal Borough: Address: Churchill, Chardstock County: Devonshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born PAULL, Lewis Head Married M 49 1812 Brick Pipes & Tile Manufacturer Blackdown, Dorset PAULL, Elizabeth Wife F 48 1813 Winsham, Somerset PAULL, Charlotte Daughter Unmarried F 20 1841 Winsham, Somerset PAULL, Thomas Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Brick Manufacturer Winsham, Somerset PAULL, Charles Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Brick Manufacturer Winsham, Somerset PAULL, John North Nephew Unmarried M 18 1843 Brick Manufacturer Winsham, Somerset
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