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20 Jun 2012 20:40 |
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Hi, thank you very much for that , i will check them all out
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20 Jun 2012 18:51 |
Unless you subscribe to sites such as Ancestry or Find My Past etc, there are some free sites which you should put in your favourites for future reference
FREEBMD ( for certificates after 1st July 1837) http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
LANCASHIRE BMD ( from1837) http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
LANCS OPC ( Parish records from selected churches) http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
FAMILYSEARCH ( free 1881 census and some parish records) https://www.familysearch.org/search/
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20 Jun 2012 09:39 |
If you google Lancs OPR - you'll get there
I'm sorry, but you really have a bit of a nerve - saying we didn't 'teach' you.
You didn't answer our questions, and never once provided a solid FACT.
You posted on 'Find Ancestors' which is what people tried to help you to do.
From your original post
Looking for a Henry Mercer and his son William (B1837/8) . There are links with Salford and possibly Prescot where William was possibly born ? I have William's marriage and death cert's but cannot find birth or mother's name ?
No mention of 'hints' - just a statement that you wanted to find two males
If you want to 'learn' how to research your family, buy one of the plethora of books on the market - or join your local FHS. Or, if you are retired, the U3A in your area probably has at least one genealogy course running
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David
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20 Jun 2012 09:17 |
Dear all, I am not ungrateful, I posted on here hoping for hints , help , etc. I didn't expect a squad of experts to appear and practically do my reasearch for me all in 1 day ? You are all extremely adept at this and I want to thank you very much. You overwhelmed me with you assistance but didn't teach me ( I don't know how you got from A to E with steps B,C and D missing ?) I would be thankful of any hints on how to do it , where to look etc (eg what is Lancashire OPR ?) Again, you are amazing and thank you
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Lynski
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20 Jun 2012 08:54 |
Me too, Dea.
What was the point of posting one day and saying forget it the next??????
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Dea
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20 Jun 2012 07:36 |
Words fail me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dea
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Lynski
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20 Jun 2012 05:46 |
Mike,
I did post the 1851 census with William as a son in law - 20 Jun 2012 00:08
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David
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20 Jun 2012 00:41 |
Hello , i didn't know all this was going on , so I couldn't put information in ? You have all been wonderful but please don't waste any more time , god what have i started ?
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20 Jun 2012 00:39 |
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Hi , thanks for your interest and time but i've given up again so don't waste your efforts.l thanks again Dave
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Oh dear !
Guess we still haven't found William's birth which was the initial request though.
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20 Jun 2012 00:34 |
If this is correct baptism for Margaret, she was older than she let on !
Baptisms: 18 Nov 1801 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Margaret Byron - Daur. of William Byron & Elizth. ***** Born: 1 Nov Abode: Prescot Occupation: Watchmr -------------------------
Father's occupation fits
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20 Jun 2012 00:31 |
Details of the burial for Henry
Burial: 3 Dec 1845 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Henry Mercer - Age: 61 Abode: Prescot Buried by: J. Crump
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20 Jun 2012 00:21 |
Would be interesting to know if she was a spinster or a widow.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1855 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***Bellis Robert - Bolton 8c 255 HARDMAN James Bolton 8c 255 KELLY Ann Bolton 8c 255 ***MERCER Margaret - Bolton 8c 255
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Marriage: 19 Feb 1855 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley, Lancashire, England
Robert Bellis - (X), 40 Mechanic Bachelor of Farnworth Margaret Mercer - (X), 50 Widow of Farnworth <<<<<<< Groom's Father: Robert Bellis, Potter Bride's Father: William Byron, Watchmaker Witness: William Stones; Margaret Stones, (X) Married by Banns by: Richd. Thistlethwaite
So it looks like she was born Margaret Byron
Which means that the marriage I posted earlier look like the right one
Marriage: 8 Feb 1829 St Wilfrid, Farnworth near Prescot, Lancashire, England Henry Mercer - (X), Labourer of this parish Margaret Byron - (X), Spinster of this parish Witness: Peter Seddon; James Southern Married by Banns by: Wm Thompson - minister
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20 Jun 2012 00:18 |
In 1841 Margaret is alone with 5 children
Perhaps she was a single parent who later married a Henry somebody.
If someone could post the household of 1851 with William recorded as a son in law ( stepson maybe) to the head of the house, it might give some clues.
Santa ..... " I don't see any other Henry Mercer births in Prescot around that time. "
It was never established that Henry Mercer was born in Prescot ( or that he even existed for that matter)
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Lynski
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20 Jun 2012 00:12 |
1861 census -
BELLIS, Robert Head Married M 52 1809 Chair Maker St Helens, Lancashire VIEW BELLIS, Margaret Wife Married F 60 1801 Prescot, Lancashire VIEW BELLIS, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1847 Cotton Winder Salford, Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 2907 Folio: 32 Page: 20 Registration District: Salford Civil Parish: Pendlebury Municipal Borough: Salford Address: Weaste Lane Corner, Pendlebury, Salford County: Lancashire
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Lynski
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20 Jun 2012 00:08 |
It all seems to fit with the 1841 census names?
1851 census -
BALLIS, Robert Head M 45 1806 Engine Mechanic Prescot, Lancaster VIEW BALLIS, Margret Wife F 48 1803 Prescot, Lancaster VIEW MERCER, Thomas Son/law M 25 1826 Ditto Ditto Engine Mecchanic? Prescot, Lancaster VIEW MERCER, Henry M 17 1834 Errand Boy Prescot, Lancaster VIEW MERCER, Catherine Dau/law F 16 1835 Silk Winder Prescot, Lancaster VIEW MERCER, William Son/law M 14 1837 Errand Boy Prescot, Lancaster VIEW BALLIS, Elizabeth Dau F 4 1847 Salford, Lancaster VIEW
Piece: 2223 Folio: 0 Page: 0 Registration District: Salford Civil Parish: Manchester Municipal Borough: Address: 62, Union Street, Manchester County: Lancashire
Births Dec 1846 (>99%) Bellis Elizabeth Salford 20 870 Bellis Elizabeth Salford 20 871
Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%) Bellis Robert Bolton 8c 255 MERCER Margaret Bolton 8c 255
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20 Jun 2012 00:05 |
Assuming that the William Mercer b 1837 Prescott with wife Sarah born Scotland c 1843 who appears in the 1871 census is the right one, then these would be the births of the children from Lancashire OPC:
Baptisms: 9 Jun 1867 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England Thomas Robert Mercer - Child of William Mercer & Sarah Abode: 22 Woden St. Occupation: Mechanic Baptised by: J. S. Lawson
Baptisms: 12 Apr 1868 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England David Mercer - Child of William Mercer & Sarah Abode: Woden St. Occupation: Mechanic Baptised by: J. S. Lawson
Baptisms: 29 Dec 1872 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England Margaret Ann Mercer - Child of William Mercer & Sarah Abode: Franklin St. Occupation: Engineer Baptised by: W. Elton
Baptisms: 29 Dec 1872 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England Samuel Mercer - Child of William Mercer & Sarah Abode: Franklin St. Occupation: Engineer Baptised by: W. Elton
In 1891, Thomas Robert Mercer born Salford 1867 is with Frederick and Elizabeth Gregory. He is listed as nephew. Elizabeth Gregory was born Elizabeth Bellis: Marriages Sep 1876 Bellis Elizabeth Salford 8d59 GREGORY Frederick Salford 8d59
Elizabeth was the daughter of Robert Bellis b 1809 St Helens and Margaret Mercer nee Byron born 1802 Prescot, although she was born quite some time before they married and so it seems questionable if Margaret actually was Elizabeth's birth mother. There is a marriage of a Robert Bellis in Prescot in 1842 but at his marriage to Margaret, he is listed as a bachelor, so Elizabeth is a bit of a puzzle.. At any rate, if Elizabeth was seen as his aunt, then one presumes that Henry Mercer and Margaret Byron would have been parents of his father, William Mercer b 1837 Prescot.
One possible birth for Henry Mercer might be this one: Name: Henry Mercer Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Nov 1810 Baptism/Christening Place: St. Helens, Prescot, Lancashire, England Mother: Elizabeth Mercer (Family Search)
It appears this way in Lancashire OPC: Baptisms: 25 Nov 1810 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Henry Mercer - illegitimate son of Elizabeth Mercer Born: 28 Oct 1810 Abode: Whiston
There is a 1797 birth of a Henry Mercer in Prescot but he dies in infancy, and I don't see any other Henry Mercer births in Prescot around that time.
I know this is somewhat circumstantial evidence re William's parentage, as I don't see the birth of a William to a Henry and Margaret Mercer. The only birth around that time in Lancashire OPC is this one: Baptisms: 2 Sep 1838 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England William Mercer - Son of Henry Mercer & Elizabeth Abode: Prescot Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: Wm. Coombs I wonder if it is possible that the 'Elizabeth' is a mistake?
From Lancashire OPC: Baptisms: 18 Nov 1801 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Margaret Byron - Daur. of William Byron & Elizth. Born: 1 Nov Abode: Prescot Occupation: Watchmr.
Marriage: 8 Feb 1829 St Wilfrid, Farnworth near Prescot, Lancashire, England Henry Mercer - (X), Labourer of this parish Margaret Byron - (X), Spinster of this parish Witness: Peter Seddon; James Southern Married by Banns by: Wm Thompson - minister
Marriage: 19 Feb 1855 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley, Lancashire, England Robert Bellis - (X), 40 Mechanic Bachelor of Farnworth Margaret Mercer - (X), 50 Widow of Farnworth Groom's Father: Robert Bellis, Potter Bride's Father: William Byron, Watchmaker Witness: William Stones; Margaret Stones, (X) Married by Banns by: Richd. Thistlethwaite
There is a possible death for Henry Mercer in 1845; Deaths Dec 1845 MERCER Henry Prescot 20579
As Sarah was a widower by 1881, possibly this is William's death: Deaths Mar 1881 Mercer William 43 Salford 8d 118
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19 Jun 2012 23:36 |
Thanks Lynski
Is this him in 1851 ? Does son in law mean stepson I wonder?
Maybe Margaret married / re-married
Name: William Mercer Age: 14 Gender: M Birthplace: Prescot, Lancaster Relationship to Head of Household: Son/Law
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19 Jun 2012 23:03 |
1841
MERCER, Margret F 30 1811 Lancashire VIEW MERCER, Thomas M 15 1826 Lancashire VIEW MERCER, John M 10 1831 Lancashire VIEW MERCER, Henry M 8 1833 Lancashire VIEW MERCER, Catharine F 6 1835 Lancashire VIEW MERCER, William M 4 1837 Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 585 Book/Folio: 4/12 Page: 19 Registration District: Salford Union Civil Parish: Manchester Municipal Borough: Salford Address: Barn Street, Manchester, Salford County: Lancashire
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19 Jun 2012 22:59 |
Can someone with access look to see who William is living with in 1841 please.
1841 Name: William Mercer Gender: Male Age: 4 Birthplace: Lancashire Record Type: Household Registration District: Salford Union Sub-district: Greengate Civil Parish: Manchester County: Lancashire
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19 Jun 2012 22:54 |
Suspect this may be William
Deaths Mar 1881 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mercer William - 43 -Salford 8d 118
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