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You need the marriage certificate and birth certificate for Vera M Haycock before you jump to any false assumptions.

oh i was just interested in what the two sets of possibilities are, I now know that both the John's were closely related anyway so if I can find out enough about both i'll be able to work out which one is which...

Certificates can be pricey, I know that sometimes they can be the only way but I avoid purchasing them unless its absolutely necessary...i'm sure you understand...the pursestrings have to stop somewhere :-) So the question at the moment who were the son's and daughters of both of the John Haycocks and who were the parents of both of them :-) I think I can do a little bit more here myself but i'd be glad if any of you can shed a bit of light on both of them as well.

Thanks.

1881 England Census
about John Haycock Name: John Haycock
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William H.J. Haycock
Mother's name: Emma Haycock
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry St Michael
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Broomfield Place
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3070
Folio: 62
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
William H.J. Haycock 45
Emma Haycock 44
Emma Haycock 24
William Haycock 19
Walter Hy. Haycock 15
John Haycock 9
Sarah Ann Haycock 7
Minnie Haycock 2

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association with:. All 1880s Results1881 England Census
about John Haycock Name: John Haycock
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah A. Haycock
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Leicester Causeway Harnall Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3075
Folio: 74
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah A. Haycock 35
Caroline M. Haycock 11
John Haycock 9
Eliza Haycock 6
Ernest T. Haycock 5
Emma Haycock 4

1871 England Census
about William H Haycock Name: William H Haycock
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Haycock
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 3178
Folio: 65
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
William H Haycock 35
Emma Haycock 35
Emma Haycock 14
William H Haycock 8
Walter Haycock 5

1871 England Census
about C Maria Haycock
Name: C Maria Haycock
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Haycock
Mother's name: Sarah Ann Haycock
Gender: Female
Where born: Radford, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Radford
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 3182
Folio: 123
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
John Haycock 30
Sarah Ann Haycock 25
C Maria Haycock 1

Hello! Yeah, that's them, looking at other known facts they were the Spencers who lived at 60 Leicester Street. Leicester Street these days is where an ugly ring road runs!

Who did John Haycock of 1840 marry?

Thanks for all your help - with some guidance from another published family tree I have been able to confirm the two John's that were causing confusion are both part of the family! There is also a mother and father who nearly all of the children have replicated names of their grandfather - I think they wanted to cause confusion!!

Also who did Thomas Spencer born 1852 marry? and who was Thomas's mother, father and brothers?

Cheers,

Ben.

Hello Ben, are you throwing these questions at us as a test? ;-)

I guess you're doing your own research on FreeBMD - we'll be happy to verify what you find.

probable

1861 England Census
about John Haycock Name: John Haycock
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thos Haycock
Mother's name: Matilda Haycock
Gender: Male
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 170
Piece: 2209
Folio: 125
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Haycock 43
Matilda Haycock 41
John Haycock 20
Harriett Haycock 16
Emma Haycock 15
Thos Haycock 13
Eliza Haycock 11
George Haycock 9
James Haycock 7
Josh Haycock 5
Sarah Ann Haycock 3
Alfred Haycock 1


there's a marriage in 1867 but it's not local ...so the cert for their child may be nec' at some point to be sure

Births Jun 1870 (>99%)

Haycock Caroline Maria Coventry 6d 451

Look at the FREE 1881 census

Has anyone got any idea what Matilda's maiden name was before she married Thomas Haycock born 1817 Matilda was born c 1818. They had John, Harriett, Emma, Thomas, Eliza, James etc. The census of course has them down as married so it doesn't come up.

Similarly who did John Haycock born in 1840 marry - It was a "Sarah" born around 1846, they went on to have Caroline, John, Eliza, Ernest etc.

Thanks,

Ben.

Matilda's maiden name will be on her children's birth certificates,
1851 England Census
Thomas Haycock Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Haycock
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Foleshill Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England
Registration district: Foleshill Sub-registration district: Foleshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Household schedule number: 109 Piece: 2066 Folio: 259 Page Number: 24
Thomas Haycock 32
Matilda Haycock 30
John Haycock 10
xxx Harriet Haycock 8
Emma Haycock 4
Thomas Haycock 3
Eliza Haycock 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2066; Folio: 259; Page: 24; GSU roll: 87326-87328.

Births Dec 1842
HAYCOCK Harriett Foleshill 16 388

The John who married Sarah was born Coventry, and is not from the family above, he married Francis J.
But, as before, one of the children's birth certificates will have her maiden name. Have you looked for the marriage on free bmd?

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residence: Oct 19 Of This Parish
marriage: Oct 19 Foleshill,? Warwickshire,? England
spouse: Matilda Cramp

name: Thomas Haycock
event: Marriage
event place: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
gender: Male
marital status: Single
spouse: Matilda Cramp
spouse's marital status: Single
digital folder number: 4292052


parents: Thomas Haycock
spouse: Matilda Cramp

name: Thomas Haycock
event: Marriage
event date: 19 Oct 1840
event place: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
gender: Male
marital status: Single
father: Thomas Haycock
spouse: Matilda Cramp
spouse's marital status: Single
spouse's father: Thomas Cramp
digital folder number: 4291042

The marriage that Mel posted was available from free bmd - I assumed you had already looked for it there:
Marriages Dec 1840
BIDMEAD William Foleshill 16 504
BULL Eliza Foleshill 16 504
COLLEDGE Thomas Foleshill 16 504
xxxCRAMP Matilda Foleshill 16 504
E_URALL Henry John Foleshill 16 504
xxxHAYCOCK Thomas Foleshill 16 504
Reeve Eliza Foleshill 16 504

I can't afford them :-) There has to be a limit on how many you buy and they are very expensive, access to extensive funds shouldn't be the limiting factor in researching your family history.

Thanks for your help though.

Oooh i'd disagree with that one - there is lot to be learned from one's family history and i'd say it is very essential to some. I'd almost see it, where you can be sure of historical family structure as a Science.

There's a lot to be learned from a lot of things but not everything can be free, everything has to be paid for one way or another.

Certificates cost £9.25 so a few carefully chosen ones can yield a lot of info.

Possible.but I suspect to early...first child born 1870

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about John Haycock Name: John Haycock
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1860
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 360

Sarah Merritt

Possible connection

1901 England Census
about John Haycock Name: John Haycock
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah A Haycock
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 213
Piece: 2911
Folio: 95
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah A Haycock 54 <<<<Wid
John Haycock 29 <<<Son Single
Emma Haycock 24 <<<<Dau Single