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Gins,
I have looked at the Young stuff you have given and have tidied my file on them. The death of Elizabeth Mary Ann Young was great as I have found her burial is listed on the deceased online index, so I now know where and when she is buried as well.

I am now about to start looking at the Atherton's you found in more detail, it does seem very likely Elizabeth Sarah is of the family you have found.

Even more!
Well I never thought I would get anywhere with Atherton's.

Time to digest.

Thanks
Josie

Yeah, I guessed as much.

I havent posted other Atherton details, going back to 1600s, I thought I would leave you to establish a time line first

Come back to this thread when you have had time to digest all the info

Good luck

x

Going to take a while to take all this in.
Many many thanks

London, England, Wills and Probate, 1507-1858
Name: Humphery Atherton
Probate Date: 1748
Parish: St James Westminster
County: Middlesex

Ive sent you this by PM so you can read it

I think thats posted earlier and confirmed with the witnesses


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Humphrey Atherton
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1737
Christening Date: 3 Jun 1737
Christening Place: Westminster, London, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Humphrey Atherton
Mother's name: Dorothy <<<


Maybe this is where daughter Dorothy gets her given name from.......looks pretty good so far


And back another generation?


London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Humphrey Atherton <<<Of Westmister Parish
Marriage Date: 1732
Parish: St Mary, Lewisham
County: Kent
Borough: Lewisham
Spouse: Dorothy Clowder <<Of this Parish
Record Type: Marriage
Register Type: Parish Register

Roberts parents marriage by the looks lof...note her maiden name 'Brown', same middle name for Edward, above


London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921
Name: Humphrey Atherton
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1739
Event Date: 10 Nov 1760
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Spouse's Name: Ann Brown
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Parish: Westminster, St Anne
Spouse's County: Middlesex
Event Type: Allegation
Reference Number: DL/A/D/005/MS10091/104

Not too sure about this one, need more investigation I think


1841 England Census
Name: Edward Atherton
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Ely St Mary
Hundred: Ely City (Isle of Ely)
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ely
Sub-registration district: Ely
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 88
Book: 3
Folio: 10
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Atherton 70 <<Ind means
Lydia Atherton 55





1851 England Census
Name: Edward Atherton
Age: 81
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1770
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lydia Atherton
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Ely St Mary
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ely
Sub-registration district: Haddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 1764
Folio: 559
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Atherton 81 Cant read the occupation?
Lydia Atherton 67

This looks good, Mary Ann was born about a year later, the same place


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Robert Atherton
Spouse Name: Mary Price
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Feb 1802
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Register

Wit: Elizabeth B??? & Humphrey Atherton<<So this could be either his father or his brother?

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London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Dorothy Atherton
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1763
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Parent(s): Humphrey,
Ann
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register




London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Robert Atherton
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1764
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Parent(s): Humphrey,
Ann
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Edward Brown Atherton
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1768
Christening Date: 21 Dec 1768
Christening Place: Westminster, London, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Humphrey Atherton
Mother's name: Ann

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Humphrey Atherton
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1761
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Parent(s): Humphrey,
Ann
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Oh Gins this is all wonderful and it seems to all link in. Would it be to much to ask if anything shows for Robert on the 1841 census.

I can't believe what the time is, been on here all afternoon and I only meant to come on hear earlier for a short time. Better make sure I am lying down before hubby gets in from visiting his mother, I didn't go because of an awful cold I've got so was meant to be having me feet up, well I've done that, I'm sitting on the chair with them on the chair.

Will come back on here later.
Thanks for all your help.

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Mary Ann Atherton
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1803
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Parent(s): Robt,
Mary
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Catharine Atherton
Baptism Date: 10 Aug 1806
Parish: St Giles in The Fields
County: London
Borough: Camden
Parent(s): Robert,
Mary
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Catharine Atherton
Burial Date: 13 Jan 1808
Parish: St Giles in The Fields
Borough: Camden
Record Type: Burial
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Looking at this I am very surprised that Alexander Young & Elizabeth Sarah Atherton had banns read. When my daughter got married she couldn't have banns, they had to get a common licence (different from the normal licence) as for some reason Scotland isn't part of the English system although Wales & Northern Ireland are. Our vicar had to ask as he had never performed a marriage of someone from Scotland marrying someone from England before. I can't remember what he said about it she married in Scotland but banns would still not be allowed to be read. Maybe Alexander was living in England, or made out he was, or maybe the vicar hadn't done his homework.

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
about Eliza Atherton
Name: Eliza Atherton
Baptism Date: 24 Jul 1808
Parish: St Giles in The Fields
County: London
Borough: Camden
Parent(s): Robert,
Mary
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript



The wit on the marriage for Eliza & Alex


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Mary Ann Atherton
Spouse Name: William Salmon
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 28 Feb 1825
Parish: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Register

Wit: Elizabeth Sarah Young & George Clarkson

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JosieByCoast Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 16 Jun 2012 15:30
This is a long shot but can anyone find either of these marriages in the London/Middlesex area

1. Alexander Young born 1795 and Elizabeth Sarah Atherton born c1805, their first child was born in 1826 in St Giles Middlesex and baptised St George Bloomsbury.

2. Robert Atherton and Sarah, I think her maiden name was Price by her daughter's death certificate.
I have no other details on Robert & Sarah other than thier daughter Elizabeth Sarah was born about 1805, and that Robert was a Carver & Gilder and a member of the Society of Odd Fellows, I know he was alive in 1821.

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jolee Report Mark this as answered 16 Jun 2012 15:37
Could not find a marriage but found this - a maybe

Banns of marriage

Alexander Yong to Elizabeth Sarah Atherton
13th. February 1825
St George Bloomsbury
Borough Camden
Reg type Parish register.

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Barking, East London, Kent.



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Andrew Report Mark this as answered 16 Jun 2012 15:38
Can't see Robert and Sarah, but


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Robert Atherton
Name: Robert Atherton
Spouse Name: Mary Price
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Feb 1802
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Register

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JosieByCoast Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 16 Jun 2012 16:03
Many thank both of you.

As for Robert & Sarah, the death image I have from Scotlands People for their daughter Elizabeth Sarah clearly states her mother as Sarah Atherton MS (then it appears to be Price) but it is not unusual mistakes even on original documents so it could be Mary or Sarah. Could be the same one or a different one. Shame his occupation wasn't down, but then that could have changed I suppose.



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Gins Report Mark this as answered 16 Jun 2012 16:26
Hi Josie

If you copy/paste this into the first thread it will save time and repeating the info


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1302246?jump=1302246


I know you added this by mistake, so 10 lashes of the whip!!!!

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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Elizabeth Sarah Atherton
Spouse Name: Alexander Young
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 13 Feb 1825
Parish: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Register

Wit: William Salmon & Mary Ann Atherton

Where has my last reply gone? it's disappeared.

No what did I put? something like I've done it, but you already know that. And something like
By the time I read your message about not putting another thread on, I had already done it, and when I went back to delete it, there were a couple of messages, so I let it stand. It is different to this as apart from asking for the marriage of Charles Young and Elizabeth Sarah Atherton, which has been answered as far as banns are concerned, I was hoping to find out something about Elizabeth Sarah's parents as I knew their names. Have got a possible marriage now although a query on the name.

woops just found previous message hadn't clicked page 2. Silly me, Oh and thanks for the above

1861 Scotland Census
about Elizabeth Young
Name: Elizabeth Young
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration number: 685/4
Registration district: St Giles
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Andrew
County: Midlothian
Address: 51 New Buildings No Bridge
Occupation: Engraver On Woods
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 3
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1861_128
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Young 35
Emily Young 26
Thomas Gilouth Stewart 23
Thos Barry Moriarty 22
Alexander Garvie 27
Charles Kerr 25
Charles Lander 24
Allison Cook 60
Charlotte Orr 48

All unticked now.

The other thread I had put on before I read your message and by the time I went to delete it there was an answer to part of it. It is slightly different from this as I am trying to find out more about the mother's parents Atherton.

You did it!

Scoll back up the page to this entry and un tick the answered button


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JosieByCoast Report 16 Jun 2012 14:12
Many thanks all.
I have already seen the 1911 image and that is him at his niece Charlotte's. That was a great find as I hadn't managed to find him or his siblings (apart from my great grandfather) since the Scottish 1851 census.
Elizabeth on the 1891 & 1901 census is his sister although she was born in Edinburgh but the age is right. so another great find.

Many thanks all again