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Hi Meg - might be an idea if you click on Shelagh's name to send her a message letting her know about your connection. I'm sure she'd be pleased to hear about it, as it's been a few months she mightn't be checking this thread for further replies. You can also attach the photos to your direct message.

Will have a look for William's parents and, if Shelagh doesn't mind, will put the info on here as it's of some relevance.

Hello. I'm descended from Andrew Hinman Hurlbutt and Mary Alice Burn.
I'm fascinated by the information you've unearthed about his leaving Mary and going to Canada with someone else. His daughter Annie, my grandmother, was his eldest child b 1891 and his youngest was Arthur born approx 1912, so would have been young when his Dad left home. I recall Arthur was a grumpy person, no wonder. I have a picture of Andrew Hinman Hurlbutt and also one of Mary Alice Burn, but don't know how to attach them here.

Andrew's father, William Hurlbutt, came to Britain from Connecticut, running away from his Puritan family, with an artist friend called Alexander Hinman. The 2 friends stayed close all their lives, married sisters, and named their children after each other (hence Andrew's middle name). I can't find William's parents or where he came from. If you can shed any light on this I'd be very grateful.
Meg

You're very welcome Shelagh! Having a good chuckle about the teeth.

If I find any more snippets about any of them I'll add them.

Hi,poor Albert! His marriage must have been on the rocks if he went to Chester in1919.She left the country in 1920 so perhaps she didn't like his new false teeth! I have found a marriage for Fred P Jordan in 1923 to Florence E Hawkes so I'll do a bit digging on Ancestry.
Thank you for all your help by the way.
Regards
Shelagh

Found Albert Walter Jordan's service records:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Albert Walter Jordan
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 542594
Regiment Name: RE
Number of images: 30

He actually was in several regiments, moved around a bit.

He was born Deal, Kent and was 39 when he enlisted 16/11/1914, occupation marine porter. Next of kin given as wife (not named) 5 Saxon Street, Dover.

He was shot in the head 24/03/1918 in France. He spent time in the American Hospital in Rouen and then two months in hospital in Sheffield. He was operated on but it appears to have been a superficial wound which left a scar behind his right ear and some thickening of the bone. He also had varicose veins but refused an op for them. He was fitted with dentures 02/07/1918. He was granted furlough for 2 weeks after leaving hospital and was headed to The Villas, Relsely nr Bakewell, Derby.

He was eventually discharged 23/04/1919 on the grounds of disability (which was assessed as being less than 20% and was mainly due to the varicose veins). His address upon discharge was to be 5 Dee View, Hawarden near Chester.

He had a completely clean conduct sheet.


British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: Albert W Jordan
Regiment or Corps: Royal West Kent Regiment, Royal West Kent Regiment, Royal Defence Corps, Royal West Kent Regiment, Welsh Regiment, Royal Engineers
Regimental Number: 203791, 22403, 20357, 7265, 207081, 542594

He was awarded the Victory and the British medals.

(I'm now starting to feel really sorry for poor Albert, he didn't seem to have much luck in life poor blighter. Tried to start a business and ended in debt, served his country and got shot in the head, then his wife goes off with a dashing sea captain . I'm probably getting too involved and over romanticising!) :-(

Sorry Shelagh, if you meant my earlier comments I meant the oldest of the sons that had been on the shipping list and then crossed out - namely Alfred.

Did he decide for some reason at the last minute that he couldn't go with his mother and her new man? Did he not fancy Canada?

Hi,going back to 1911 census,the eldest Jordan son was Frederick Percy b 1898. He must have stayed aged 22 in 1920.

No, I think you're right Gins. This is most likely the death for that probate record:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1960
JORDAN Albert W 78 Thanet 5b 972

so the 1969 one is quite likely a contender.

Marie

That probate record you posted for an Albert Walter, he left over £9K so maybe thats not him.......or he made some money later in life :-S

Many thanks to all!! Lots to think about. I haven't been able to find deaths for the 1st spouses before 1920 so ........ They travelled to Canada as a married couple with her children,obviously a moonlight flit! I will research his children with Mary Burn and may uncover something!
Cheers
Shelagh

Very interesting, MC! I decided to look at the 1901 census to see what they were doing. He was a labourer at a paper mill. (Wonder if that was Pearsons?) Address then was 34 Randolph Rd. William Bescott was a boarder.

1901 England Census
about Albert W Jordan Name: Albert W Jordan
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ethel A Jordan
Gender: Male
Where born: Deal, Kent, England

Civil parish: Dover
Ecclesiastical parish: Buckland St Andrews
Town: Dover
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Piece: 843
Folio: 84
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Albert W Jordan 25
Ethel A Jordan 23
Frederick P Jordan 3
William Bescott 60

It's there Margee - I await your opinion!

(going for lunch)

Well, I'm waiting with bated breath, Marie Celeste. Are you a 2-finger typer like me? I wish Shelagh would come back to see what she says about all of this.

DOVER EXPRESS - Friday 18 March 1904
Monthly sitting of Dover County Court

Administration Order

Re: Albert Walter Jordan, a marine porter who had kept a tobacco, sweet and newsagent shop in London Road applied for an administration order. The debts amounted to £19 12s 9d.

The debtor said he now lived 122 Clarendon Street. He earned as a porter 20/- wages and about 4/- gratuities. He had about £5 worth of furniture, the rest was hired. Prior to opening the shop he was a labourer at Pearsons. He attributed his failure to his wife's illness, and the fact he lost his employment for a time.

His Honor - "But that gave you more time for it?"
Applicant - "Yes, but there was no wages to help."

Applicant said that he was now in work again, and that he could pay his way while that continued. He offered to pay 15/- per month. His Honor ordered applicant to make payment in full at the rate of 7/6 per fortnight.

Mr R Mowell who appeared for the judgement creditor Mt T W Rogers, said that hw wished to ask whether the applicant did not sell his business for £12?
Applicant - "Yes, and I paid off what I could of my debts with it."

Here's the 1911 for Ethel Annie and Albert Walter - note their address and his occupation as I have something else interesting to follow:

JORDAN, Alber Walter Head Married M 36 1875 Marine Porter S E And C K Deal Kent
JORDAN, Ethel Annie Wife Married15 years F 34 1877 Deal Kent
JORDAN, Fredrick Percey Son Married M 13 1898 School Deal Kent
JORDAN, Alfred Richard Son M 6 1905 School Deal Kent
JORDAN, Charlile Thomas Son M 5 1906 School Deal Kent
JORDAN, Lilian Ethel Daughter F 3 1908 Deal Kent
JORDAN, Albert Walter Son M 1 1910 Deal Kent

RG number: RG14 Piece: 4598 Reference: RG14PN4598 RG78PN193 RD65 SD2 ED8 SN95
Registration District: Dover
Sub District: Dover
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: Dover

Address: 175 Clarendon St Dover County: Kent

It is odd, but perhaps Mr Jordan was a bad lad and she was escaping him? It's also odd that the eldest son had been intended to travel but crossed off the list. The younger children would possibly have no idea what their names were recorded as.

Of course, Albert Jordan may have been unaware of events.

They may have inadvertently been recorded as Hurlbutt (but I doubt it)

Curious though that she would bring her Jordan children to Canada calling them Hurlbutt. If Mr. Jordan was still living, wonder what he thought about that?

Nah - they're long gone now!!

I'm not 100% sure about Mr Jordan's death but there's no doubt about Mary Alice Hurlbutt.

Well, I think we've uncovered a bigamous marriage in Canada. Think we should report it?

Looks like Ethel's first husband didn't die until 1960s:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Albert Walter Jordan
Probate Date: 18 May 1960
Death Date: 7 Mar 1960
Death Place: Kent, England
Registry: London, England

or

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Albert Walter Jordan
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1875
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1969
Age at Death: 94
Registration district: Surrey Northern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 422