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Charles Rutherford, Northumberland 1862

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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 May 2012 00:47

No Christina Kidds in any census in Renwick or any Mains.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 22 May 2012 09:07

This must be his birth in that case:

Births Sep 1862 (>99%)
MAIN Charles Main Berwick 10b 324

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 22 May 2012 09:10

There are some mains though, e.g.:

1871 England Census

Name: George Histop Main
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Norham
Town: Norham
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Berwick
Sub-registration district: Norhamshire

George Histop Main 30
Jane Davidson 16

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 22 May 2012 10:18

I think I have a link with a Christina Main who lived very close to where Charles worked just BEFORE going to England. She lived near Barns Roxburghshire and was 21 (UNM) while Charles was 23 (UNM). I surmise she accompanied him to England and had the child there, subsequently remaining in England while he returned to his family - his sister (Catherine, 23 UNM) caring for the child until he married (Mary Thomson at Stichill) six years later and had second son James. If she married someone called KIDD it would all tie in.

Whatever, it is a tangled tale and i'm satidfied that the birthplace is known even though there are mysteries. Now to find the illegitimate children of my great Aunt Agnes who was busy in East Lothian in the early 20th century. A bit of a girl so i'm told!

safc

safc Report 22 May 2012 11:32

Name: Charles Rutherford Main
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Sep 1862
Baptism/Christening Place: Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Christina Main
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02192-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1469108
Reference Number: item 1 p 110

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 22 May 2012 16:58

Aaahhhhh! The plot thickens! So young Charles born at Renwick and christened at Berwick which, not incidentally, is where naughty Charles parents John and Elizabeth were married. Probably some family still living there while they were farming in Scotland.

Great. So how does Christina Main (In Charles juniors Marr Cert) become Christina Kidd (in Charles juniors Death cert)...or Vice Versae? There's got to be a link with all those "Kidds" in Renwick. It would seem from the christening that it was Christina Main who presented the child as his surname is hers, so at some time in the near future (before the 1871 Scottish census) the child was adopted (unofficially as was the way in those days) by the Rutherfords.

Just for the record the Rutherfords were very much a Border family. I have a map showing dozens of properties and villages they held property in. Real Mafiosos!

Well done safc!

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 May 2012 19:40

I wonder if this is her.

1851 Address: Rachelfield, Rachelfield, Earlston
MAIN, Margaret Head Widow F 51 1800 Farm Serv
Stitchell, Roxburgh N/A
MAIN, Elspeth Daughter Unmarried F 25 1826 Farm Serv
Kelso, Roxburgh
N/A
MAIN, Christian Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Farm Serv
Kelso, Roxburgh N/A
MILNE, Agnes Grand Daughter F 7 1844 Kelso, Roxburgh N/A
WEDDELL, William Grand Son M 6 1845 Kelso,
Roxburgh N/A
GIBSON, Robert Grand Son M 3 1848 Kelso, Roxburgh

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 May 2012 19:43

1841 Address: Roxburgh Street East Side, Kelso
WALACE, John M 25 1816 Labourer Scotland
N/A
WALACE, Jane F 20 1821 Roxburghshire
N/A
WALACE, James M 2 1839 Roxburghshire
N/A
WALACE, Sarah F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1841 Roxburghshire
N/A
BLOOK, William M 35 1806 Mason J Roxburghshire
N/A
BLOOK, Isabella F 35 1806 Roxburghshire
N/A
BLOOK, John M 9 1832 Roxburghshire
N/A
BLOOK, Elisabeth F 2 1839 Roxburghshire
N/A
BLOOK, Margaret F 4 1837 Roxburghshire
N/A
BOWHILL, James M 38 1803 Shoe M Roxburghshire
N/A
BOWHILL, Isabella F 47 1794 Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Andrew M 51 1790 Gardener Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Margaret F 40 1801 Scotland
N/A
MAIN, Janet F 14 1827 Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Margaret F 10 1831 Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Christian F 8 1833 Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Isabella F 5 1836 Roxburghshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 May 2012 19:44

1861 Address: Overtown, Smailholm
MAIN, Margaret Head Widow F 62 1799 Pauper (Weaver's Widow)
Stitchel, Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Elsbeth Daughter Unmarried F 35 1826 Ag Lab
Kelso, Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Christina Daughter Unmarried F 28 1833 Domestic Serv
Kelso, Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Agnes Grand Daughter Unmarried F 17 1844 Ag Lab
Kelso, Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Robert Grand Son M 13 1848 Ag Lab
Roxburgh, Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, James Grand Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Earlstone, Berwickshire
N/A
MAIN, Euphemia Grand Daughter F 4 1857
Smailholm, Roxburghshire
N/A
MAIN, Andrew Grand Son M 0 (9 MO) 1861
Smailholm, Roxburghshire

safc

safc Report 22 May 2012 19:46

Name: Christian Main
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Oct 1832
Baptism/Christening Place: , KELSO, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1832
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Andrew Main
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margaret Paterson
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11793-8
System Origin: Scotland-VR
Source Film Number: 1067947
Reference Number: 2:18D11RV

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 22 May 2012 21:35

No, I don't think it's any of these. I found my MAIN target about two years ago so I don't remember exactly but pretty sure it's not these. I still have all the original searches stored on Scotlands People (fabulous site BTW) so I can go back and look however i'm sure we've cracked the problem.

Now I have to explain to my relatives why we have "Sassenachs" in the family...oh the shame o' it ...Ha Ha Ha.

Again many thanks to all, and if you have any Scottish searches, give me a call and i'll see what I can do.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 May 2012 22:24

I was looking at birthplaces that you already have connections with such as Stitchel, Roxburghshire.