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Marie - Yes Amy/Annie did die in Magarafelt where Cecil travelled abroad from. What we just cannot confirm definitely is whether Annie did change her name to Amy and whether she was in fact the actress listed. Interesting though that her father in law was a theatre manager. Maybe he set her off on her travels and she chose to leave a mundane life back in Bradford with Edmondson.

Cecil snr had 2 sons who he named Cecil Barton Carr, 22 years between each other, the older died in 1917 in France.

Now to find burials as they sometimes provide extremely interesting reading.

I can't thank you enough for your help.

Thank you , thank you for all this information.

From notes discussed several years ago its possible Annie singleton Carr/charlesworth became Amy singleton for the purposes of her career as an actress.
I have no further detials of her being with Edmondson Charlesworth in his later years or when he died so she must have gone back to Ireland for some time where she died herself.

Reggie, you are correct ..John Carr was her first husband's father who was deceased 12 years earlier, a coal merchant in Gosforth, Northumberland so no idea why she told porkies about that.

Cecil senior's second marriage:

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Cecil B Carr
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1912
Registration district: Magherafelt
Volume: 1
Page: 973
FHL Film Number: 101262

Married Elizabeth Devanney

At some point Cecil must have came back to England as this looks like the birth of an older son:

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Cecil Barton Carr
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 06 Feb 1898
baptism/christening place: Horton (near Bradford), York, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Cecil Barton Carr
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Anne
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I00823-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 6358466
reference number: yr 1875-1937 p 355

Source Citation
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7Y6-VH4 : accessed 20 May 2012), Cecil Barton Carr, 1898.

This may be Cecil arriving in Canada with a new wife and family:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Cecil Carr
Gender: Male
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 6 Jun 1927
Vessel: Metagama
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Roll: T-14733

He's a motor driver but intends to become a farmer. The onward destination is Clan Donald Colony, Edmonton. His birthplace is stated as Bradford, which may be because he lived there when a child.

He's travelling with Elizabeth age 35, born Edenderry. Children Anny age 14, Kathleen age 12, Mary age 8, Cecil age 3. Children all born Magherafelt (isn't that where his mother died?)

Next of kin in the country they left is given as wife's brother John Devanney, Drumsurn, Co Derry.

Back to Cecil:

On 26/12/1896 Cecil Barton Carr married Annie Harper in Glasgow. He was 23 and a Railway Servant. His parents are named as Henry George (deceased) a theatre manager and Annie Carr, nee Hatch.
(Have sent record to Sue).


So, this must have been his birth:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1873
Carr Cecil Barton Gateshead 10a 918
(Where did Barton come from?)


He died in Canada:

British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986
death date: 26 Jul 1949
death place: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
name: Cecil Barton Carr
gender: Male
age: 76y 2m 11d
birth date: 15 May 1873
birthplace: Bradford, England
marital status: Married
spouse: Elizabeth Devine
father: Henry Burgis Carr
mother: Amy Singleton Hatch
indian agency:
indian band/tribe:
film number: 2032571
digital folder number: 4438071
image number: 2417
british columbia archives film number: B13201
registration number: 49 09 007387

Marriage of Henry's younger daughter:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name: Amy Singleton Carr, spinster, aged 28
Birth Year: abt 1906
Marriage or Bann Date: 30 May 1934
Parish: Thornbury, St Margaret
Father's Name: Henry Burgess Singleton Carr < Wool salesman
Spouse's Name: John Jackson, bachelor aged 23. A manufacturer
Spouse's Father's Name: William Jackson < Manufacturer

Amy lived 1 Silverhills Ave, Bradford. John lived Manorfield, Gomersal, Leeds.

It looks like the two fathers were the witnesses.

There are loads of articles about actress Amy Singleton in the British Newspaper Archives - too many to transcribe. Some results on Google too, there is a picture of her in this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Pearson

Henry's death:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Henry B S Carr
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1953
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 72

This looks like his marriage to Louisa:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1903
BURROW Louisa Wolstanton 6b 143
CARR Henry Burgess S Wolstanton 6b 143


Possibly his previous marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1897
Carr Henry Burgess S Leeds 9b 943
Hainsworth Kate Emma Leeds 9b 943
Pearson George Edward Leeds 9b 943
WHITEHEAD Hannah Leeds 9b 943


He married Kate Emma going by the baptism of eldest daughter:

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Margaret Kathleen Carr
Birth Date: 4 Jun 1900
Parish: Bradford, St Augustine
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1900
Father's Name: Henry Burgess Snifeton Carr < Wool Buyer
Mother's Name: Kate Emma Carr
Address: 18 Northcote Terrace


Sadly Kate Emma died very young:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1903
Carr Kate Emma 28 Bradford 9b 26

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
Name: Kate Emma Carr
Probate Date: 7 Jul 1903
Death Date: 12 May 1903
Death Place: Bradford, West Yorkshire, England
Registry: Wakefield
Effects £239 18s 3d. Administration to husband Henry Burgess Singleton Carr (wool merchant). Her address 46 Hatfield Road, Undercliffe, Bradford.

Yes, here's Henry in 1911 and he's named his younger daughter after his mother:

CARR, Henry Burgess Singleton Head Married M 40 1871 Wool Salesman Lanarkshire Glasgow Resident
CARR, Louisa Wife Married 7 years F 28 1883 Yorkshire Bradford
CARR, Margaret Kathleen Daughter F 10 1901 School Yorkshire Bradford
CARR, Amy Singleton Daughter F 6 1905 School Yorkshire Bradford

RG number: RG14 Piece: 26710 Reference: RG14PN26710 RG78PN1539 RD498 SD1 ED36 SN151
Registration District: Bradford
Sub District: Bowling
Enumeration District: 36
Parish: Bradford

Address: 20 Garibaldi Street Thornbury County: Yorkshire (West riding)

According to the original form Louisa had only had one child, which must be Amy. Margaret Kathleen is perhaps from a previous marriage of Henry's.

On the 1901 Scottish census Robert Hatch is using the middle name "Burgess" so I'm wondering if the BS initials for Henry on the 1871 are Burgess Singleton?

(All this working back hopefully will help us go forward and find what happened to them).

This 1881 shows that Robert Hatch is Annie/Amy's brother so I'd say that is definitely "our" Cecil in 1891:

HATCH, Robert Head Married M 50 1831 Drysalter England
HATCH, Lucy Wife Married F 50 1831 Ireland
HATCH, Samuel Son Unmarried M 20 1861 Scholar Glasgow Lanarkshire
HATCH, Frank Son M 16 1865 Scholar Glasgow Lanarkshire
HATCH, Lucy Daughter F 13 1868 Scholar Glasgow Renfrewshire
HATCH, Ann Mother Widow F 76 1805 Annuitant Ireland <<

Piece: 6461 Folio: 12 Page: 15 Registration District: 15
Civil Parish: Govan

Address: 3, Lendel Terrace, Govan County: Lanarkshire

Just wondering if the Hutch in this 1891 is actually Hatch and Cecil is staying with relatives?

HUTCH, Robert Head Married M 60 1831 Drysalter London
HUTCH, Lucy Wife Married F 60 1831 London
HUTCH, Lucy Daughter Unmarried F 23 1868 Paisley Renfrewshire
HUTCH, Samuel Son Unmarried M 30 1861 Clerk At Law Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCH, Frank Son Unmarried M 25 1866 Glasgow Lanarkshire
CARR, Cecil Boarder M 17 1874 Shop Lad England <<

Piece: 646 Folio: 43 Page: 18 Registration District: 18
Civil Parish: Govan

Address: Colebrook Street, Govan County: Lanarkshire

The mother-in-law on 1871 confirms this marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1867
CARR Henry George Droitwich 6c 487 <<
CLIFFORD Francis William Droitwich 6c 487
Hatche Annie Singleton Droitwich 6c 487 <<
Pugh Priscilla Droitwich 6c 487

Some interesting goings on with the names and birthplaces on this 1871:

CARR, Henry George Head M 25 1846 Northumberland, clerk b Newcastle
CARR, Annie Singleton Wife F 22 1849 Ireland
CARR, Henry B S Son M 1 1870 Scotland
HATCH, Ann B S Mother-In-Law F 66 1805 Ireland

Piece: 5073 Folio: 42 Page: 23 Registration District: 23
Civil Parish: Westgate
Municipal Borough: Newcastle

Address: Morland Terrace, West, Westgate, Newcastle
County: Northumberland

Sue - I would recommend you remove the "mark thread as answered" tick. It looks as though there are still records to find but people won't bother with this thread if it appears that everything has been resolved.

Do you have Henry G and Cecil's birth certificates, or even the entries in the index? As much accurate info as possible will help us find them after 1891.

EDIT: Have deleted an erroneous birth that I posted.

Divorce simply didn't happen for anyone other than the very wealthy and/or influential

How could her father be John Carr if she'd been married to the father of her sons?

Although, on the cert, she calls herself a spinster

Says that her 'deceased' father had been a Colliery proprietor

Reggie, I had some notes from years ago saying its possible she died in Ireland. Maybe she was just visiting her family or died suddenly...who knows..

Thank you both.

Just for info

Name: Edmondson Charlesworth
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Mary Singleton Carr - Amy on image
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Mar 1878
Parish: St Pancras St Matthew
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John Charlesworth
Spouse Father Name: John Carr
Register Type: Parish Register