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Hi, Would someone be so kind as to see if they can locate Cecil Chrlesworth born c1873 Gateshead, Newcastle

and his brother Henry G. (George) Carr Charlesworth born Morpeth, Newastle c1871.

I have no records after 1881 of them, never found them in 1891 either.

Last known living in Bradford, Yorkshire.

Thank you if you can help.

Gateshead and Newcastle were in different Counties: they're on opposite sides of the Tyne

Parents?

Try looking for them under their birth surname


Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Edmundson CHARLESWORTH Head M Male 41 Bradford, York, England Worsted Mill Manager
Amy S. CHARLESWORTH Wife M Female 30 Scotland
John G. CHARLESWORTH Son U Male 17 Bradford, York, England Scholar
Emiline M.J. CHARLESWORTH Daur U Female 10 Bradford, York, England Scholar
Alfred CHARLESWORTH Son Male 6 Bradford, York, England Scholar
Henry G. CARR (CHARLESWORTH) Step Son Male 10 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Scholar
Cecil CARR (CHARLESWORTH) Step Son Male 7 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Scholar
Emily GILHAM Visitor U Female 17 Scotland Scholar

Sorry Reggie,

Parents were for the time being Henry George Carr and Annie Singleton. However she was believed to be an actress calling herself Amy Singleton born c1847 Scotland and it seems married Edmondson Charlesworth in March 1878 after the death of Henry in Feb 1878 and subsequently left her husband and children for a life on stage.

Edmondson Charlesworth died in Bradford 1916, Amy's death is unknown.

Ah I did'nt have this entry in my notes, I think I've lost some in updating my FT program.

Thank you, I'll rethink this one.

Marriages Mar 1878 (>99%)
CARR Amy Singleton Pancras 1b 6
CHARLESWORTH Edmondson Pancras 1b 6

The stepfather's first marriage

Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
Charlesworth Edmondson Leeds 9b 411
Charlesworth Edmonson Leeds 9b 411
Pallon Ann Eliza Leeds 9b 411
Pullon Ann Eliza Leeds 9b 411

Thank you, I have these...it seems Annie/Amy either abandoned her family or divorced possibly as she disappeared after 1891 , further records of Edmondson record him as still married but no sign of his wife.

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Name: Amy S Charlesworth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1915
Death Age: 63
Registration district: Magherafelt
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 1
Page: 519
FHL Film Number: 0101606

Just for info

Name: Edmondson Charlesworth
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Mary Singleton Carr - Amy on image
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Mar 1878
Parish: St Pancras St Matthew
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John Charlesworth
Spouse Father Name: John Carr
Register Type: Parish Register

Reggie, I had some notes from years ago saying its possible she died in Ireland. Maybe she was just visiting her family or died suddenly...who knows..

Thank you both.

Divorce simply didn't happen for anyone other than the very wealthy and/or influential

How could her father be John Carr if she'd been married to the father of her sons?

Although, on the cert, she calls herself a spinster

Says that her 'deceased' father had been a Colliery proprietor

Sue - I would recommend you remove the "mark thread as answered" tick. It looks as though there are still records to find but people won't bother with this thread if it appears that everything has been resolved.

Do you have Henry G and Cecil's birth certificates, or even the entries in the index? As much accurate info as possible will help us find them after 1891.

EDIT: Have deleted an erroneous birth that I posted.

Some interesting goings on with the names and birthplaces on this 1871:

CARR, Henry George Head M 25 1846 Northumberland, clerk b Newcastle
CARR, Annie Singleton Wife F 22 1849 Ireland
CARR, Henry B S Son M 1 1870 Scotland
HATCH, Ann B S Mother-In-Law F 66 1805 Ireland

Piece: 5073 Folio: 42 Page: 23 Registration District: 23
Civil Parish: Westgate
Municipal Borough: Newcastle

Address: Morland Terrace, West, Westgate, Newcastle
County: Northumberland

The mother-in-law on 1871 confirms this marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1867
CARR Henry George Droitwich 6c 487 <<
CLIFFORD Francis William Droitwich 6c 487
Hatche Annie Singleton Droitwich 6c 487 <<
Pugh Priscilla Droitwich 6c 487

Just wondering if the Hutch in this 1891 is actually Hatch and Cecil is staying with relatives?

HUTCH, Robert Head Married M 60 1831 Drysalter London
HUTCH, Lucy Wife Married F 60 1831 London
HUTCH, Lucy Daughter Unmarried F 23 1868 Paisley Renfrewshire
HUTCH, Samuel Son Unmarried M 30 1861 Clerk At Law Glasgow Lanarkshire
HUTCH, Frank Son Unmarried M 25 1866 Glasgow Lanarkshire
CARR, Cecil Boarder M 17 1874 Shop Lad England <<

Piece: 646 Folio: 43 Page: 18 Registration District: 18
Civil Parish: Govan

Address: Colebrook Street, Govan County: Lanarkshire

This 1881 shows that Robert Hatch is Annie/Amy's brother so I'd say that is definitely "our" Cecil in 1891:

HATCH, Robert Head Married M 50 1831 Drysalter England
HATCH, Lucy Wife Married F 50 1831 Ireland
HATCH, Samuel Son Unmarried M 20 1861 Scholar Glasgow Lanarkshire
HATCH, Frank Son M 16 1865 Scholar Glasgow Lanarkshire
HATCH, Lucy Daughter F 13 1868 Scholar Glasgow Renfrewshire
HATCH, Ann Mother Widow F 76 1805 Annuitant Ireland <<

Piece: 6461 Folio: 12 Page: 15 Registration District: 15
Civil Parish: Govan

Address: 3, Lendel Terrace, Govan County: Lanarkshire

On the 1901 Scottish census Robert Hatch is using the middle name "Burgess" so I'm wondering if the BS initials for Henry on the 1871 are Burgess Singleton?

(All this working back hopefully will help us go forward and find what happened to them).

Yes, here's Henry in 1911 and he's named his younger daughter after his mother:

CARR, Henry Burgess Singleton Head Married M 40 1871 Wool Salesman Lanarkshire Glasgow Resident
CARR, Louisa Wife Married 7 years F 28 1883 Yorkshire Bradford
CARR, Margaret Kathleen Daughter F 10 1901 School Yorkshire Bradford
CARR, Amy Singleton Daughter F 6 1905 School Yorkshire Bradford

RG number: RG14 Piece: 26710 Reference: RG14PN26710 RG78PN1539 RD498 SD1 ED36 SN151
Registration District: Bradford
Sub District: Bowling
Enumeration District: 36
Parish: Bradford

Address: 20 Garibaldi Street Thornbury County: Yorkshire (West riding)

According to the original form Louisa had only had one child, which must be Amy. Margaret Kathleen is perhaps from a previous marriage of Henry's.

This looks like his marriage to Louisa:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1903
BURROW Louisa Wolstanton 6b 143
CARR Henry Burgess S Wolstanton 6b 143


Possibly his previous marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1897
Carr Henry Burgess S Leeds 9b 943
Hainsworth Kate Emma Leeds 9b 943
Pearson George Edward Leeds 9b 943
WHITEHEAD Hannah Leeds 9b 943


He married Kate Emma going by the baptism of eldest daughter:

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Margaret Kathleen Carr
Birth Date: 4 Jun 1900
Parish: Bradford, St Augustine
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1900
Father's Name: Henry Burgess Snifeton Carr < Wool Buyer
Mother's Name: Kate Emma Carr
Address: 18 Northcote Terrace


Sadly Kate Emma died very young:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1903
Carr Kate Emma 28 Bradford 9b 26

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
Name: Kate Emma Carr
Probate Date: 7 Jul 1903
Death Date: 12 May 1903
Death Place: Bradford, West Yorkshire, England
Registry: Wakefield
Effects £239 18s 3d. Administration to husband Henry Burgess Singleton Carr (wool merchant). Her address 46 Hatfield Road, Undercliffe, Bradford.