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Hi

I am after another look up - I could be pushing my luck here but this seems to be another name challenge! I have looked myself tonight on various sites but no joy.

I am trying to find Reuben Edward Kitt born 1862 Lambeth. I have found him and his wife Mary Lucy Ray on 1901 and 1911 census but can't find him before that. Reuben and Mary were both born about 1862 and married 1898 in Lambeth.

The reason being I am trying to find a connection between Reuben Kitt and Alice Kitt. Richard Ray b. 1839 had a son Richard William Ray born 1859 and a daughter Mary Lucy Ray born 1862. Richard born 1859 married Alice Kitt and Mary married a Reuben Kitt.

Agewise could be brother and sister but I just can't find them on earlier census. I think that the surname was originally Kett and Alice Kitt's father William came from Norfolk and her mother Mary from Ireland. I have only found them on the 1881 census.

Any help greatly appreciated as always.

Marriage for reference:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Reuben Kitt, bachelor. A timekeeper of 41 Wickham Street.
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Spouse Name: Mary Lucy Ray, spinster of 3 Wood Street.
Spouse Age: 37
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Oct 1898
Parish: Lambeth St Mary the Less
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Kitt (deceased) Labourer
Spouse Father Name: Richard William Ray (deceased), labourer

Witnesses: Richard William Ray and Alice Ray.
Register Type: Parish Register

Alice's baptism?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Alice Kett
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: June 19
Baptism Date: 23 Jun 1864
Father's Name: William Kett < Labourer
Mother's Name: Hannah Amy Kett
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Hi

Thank you Marie Celeste. That is definately the right Reuben and Mary and Wickham Street is where Richard and Alice Ray were living so he mus be related to Alice.

Thank you so much.

I can't find Reuben either. I wonder what his father's occupation was? He was certainly born as Reuben Kitt:

Births Sep 1862 (>99%)
KITT Reuben Edward St Olave 1d 47

Jan

The date is right but different mother's name - albeit he could have remarried.

Hi Brummiejan

Unfortunately I don't know much about the family only that his father was botn in Norfolk - I think it was wymondham.

Given his occupation in 1911 as

Inspector Of Messengers P O Retired Army Pensioner

He could well be in the Army in 1881 and 1891

Hi

Yes I had wondered about that but had been hoping to find him onthe 1871 with his parents.

birth
Name: KITT, Reuben Edward
Registration district: St. Olave Bermondsey
County: London
Year of registration: 1862
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Volume no: 1D
Page no: 47

death index?

Name: KITT, Reuben E
Registration district: Plymouth
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1938
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 76
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 325

William was with a Mary in 1881?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: William Kitt < Labourer
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Mary Larry
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Mar 1874
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Reuben Kitt < Labourer
Spouse Father Name: Dennis Leary < Farmer
Register Type: Parish Register

Both William and Mary were widowed and both lived at 8 Frederick Place.

Witnesses were W Williams and Mary Lee.

Hi Thank you

Yes that could well be Reuben. Wonder why he was in Devon??

Another mystery.

Thank you

Hi

Wrong age to be my Reuben - he was born 1862ish.

Could be another relation. I won't know until I find William and Mary earlier.

Christine - given that posts can happen quite quickly on here you need to say which record you're referring to!

Which is the wrong age for Reuben?

Sorry

The post you sent for William Kitt born 1874 with father Reuben Kitt. marrying Mary Larry.

My Reuben was born about 1862/1863 - too young to be William Kitt's father.

British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): Reuben

Last name: KITT

Calculated year of birth: 1862

Parish of birth: St Georges

Town of birth: London

County of birth: Middlesex

Age at attestation: 14 years

Attestation date: 7 October 1876

Attestation corps: 6TH BRIGADE OF INFANTRY

Attestation soldier number: 974

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps:

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 3242 / 105

There are 18 images available for this soldier


Andy

Christine, I was thinking that the 1874 marriage for William Kitt was Reuben's father. It may follow that Reuben was named for William's own father.

Ignore the born 1874 - when adults were over 21 they often just had "full age" entered and the year of the marriage was put as the year of birth (a daft practice, in my opinion!).

Hi Andy

Thank you so much. I know he was in the army from the 1901/1911 census so could be him. The only thing that throws me is that this Reuben was born Middlesex and not Surrey which it should be for mine but thank you anyway this is something I can follow up.

Regards

Christine

Did Reuben remarry?

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Reuben E Kitt
Name: Reuben E Kitt
Spouse : Emma C Gliddon
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1920
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 793

Hi Marie Celeste

Thanks - yes could be. I am not very good regarding thinking "outside of the box". That's why I ask for you lovely people to help me - you all seem to know what you are doing - maybe I'll get there one day lol.