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Keith
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13 May 2012 14:02 |
Thankyou, this looks like the right one, matching with her dob. Can you expand any further please
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MaureeninNY
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13 May 2012 14:09 |
LOL!!! Please don't request me to expand. My rear end is doing a lot of that lately. ;-)
1930 United States Federal Census about Annie Bengaff Name: Annie Bengaff Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1886 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1930: Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island
Immigration Year: 1911 Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Annie Bengaff 44 John Bengaff 16 Grace Bengaff 14 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island; Roll: 2169; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 16; Image: 408.0; FHL microfilm: 2341903. ............................... 1920 United States Federal Census about Annie Bengaff Name: Annie Bengaff Age: 33 Birth Year: abt 1887 Birthplace: England Home in 1920: Providence Ward 3, Providence, Rhode Island Race: White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1911 Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: James S Bengaff Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes James S Bengaff 35 Annie Bengaff 33 John S Bengaff 5 Grace E Bengaff 3 [3 7/12] Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Providence Ward 3, Providence, Rhode Island; Roll: T625_1678; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 194; Image: 567
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:13 |
Well done Maureen!
(I'll stop looking for Eric now .....)
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:15 |
Looks like James was away on business in 1930:
1930 United States Federal Census about James Bengaff Name: James Bengaff Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1885 Birthplace: Rhode Island Race: White Home in 1930: Passaic, Passaic, New Jersey
Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Roomer Father's Birthplace: Rhode Island Mother's Birthplace: Rhode Island Occupation: Finishing, bleachery Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: 21 Parents' birthplace:
View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Walsh 63 Peter L Thoner 33 Helen Thoner 29 Robert G Thoner 4[4 10/12] Donald T Thoner 0[1/12] William Van Dungen 47 Samuel Fineberg 60 James Bengaff 45 Ray Moore 25 Shirley Moore 21 John Pettit 32 Mary Pettit 29
The other people all appear to be roomers.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:21 |
On the 1930 for Annie, it states she was 27 at first marriage, so that would be 1912, very soon after she arrived.
James was 21 at his first marriage, which would have been c1906.
Also, the 1930 says born Rhode Island, but the 1920 says he was born Isle of Man and immigrated 1903. Both he and Annie were naturalised 1917.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 14:57 |
The Bengaffs made a trip to England, this is them arriving back:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: James Bengaff Arrival Date: 26 Aug 1930 Birth Year: abt 1884 Age: 46 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Cedric
James naturalised 1917 Superior Court, RI
Travelling with Alice (???) 43 - naturalised by marriage Grace born May 1916 John born 01 August 1914
Home was East Greenwich, Rhode Island.
On the departure from Liverpool Annie's name is correct. James' occupation is a "folder".
They had been staying at 9 Rhyl Street, Bootle. That was Annie's mother's address when she left England in 1911.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:08 |
No mention of Annie on this record:
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 (Beta) Name: James S Bengaff Residence Year: 1914 Street Address: 288 So Main Residence Place: Warwick, Rhode Island Occupation: Bleachery Publication Title: Warwick, Rhode Island, City Directory, 1914
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:13 |
Now we know what the S stands for on James' middle name:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: James Sylvaster Bengaff Arrival Date: 8 May 1904 Birth Year: abt 1881 Age: 23 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Umbria
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Keith
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13 May 2012 15:13 |
Sorry we missed and thanks so much ladies for all your help here today. Been looking for this woman for over ten years! 9 Rhyl Street is actually her sister's Grace address, as her mother lived at 13! It was also bombed in ww2 as it is very close to the docks! My main tree is actually on Ancestry and am updating the records on there now, as easier to obtain on there.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:19 |
That's OK Keith, pleased we got there in the end!
Do keep checking back on here as there are probably a few more records to be found.
Annie's arrival form in Boston most definitely gives her mothers address as 9 Rhyl Street.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:19 |
U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: James Sylvester Bengaff Birth Date: 27 Aug 1883 Birth Place: Douglos Isle of Man, Great Britain Residence: Passaic, New Jersey Race: White
His address was 41 Broadway, Passaic, New Jersey.
Gives name of person who will know his address as daughter Mrs Theodore M Vogt, 49 Morris Road, Allwood, New Jersey.
Worked for the Eurika Printing Company in Clifton, NJ.
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Keith
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13 May 2012 15:22 |
9 Rhyl Street was originally her Mother,s address, but when Grace married and had her family, she took it over and her mother then moved over the road into 13. Very confusing!
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:27 |
Found the son's death:
Social Security Death Index Name: John S. Bengaff Last Residence: 07675 Westwood, Bergen, New Jersey, United States of America Born: 1 Aug 1914 Died: 9 Oct 2004 State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)
Obituaries - The Record, Bergen County, NJ › October 28, 2004 JOHN S. BENGAFF, 90, of Allendale died Oct. 9. Before retiring in 1974, he was a mail carrier for the U.S. Postal Service in Waldwick. He was an Army Air Corps veteran of World War II. Arrangements: Direct Cremations, Paterson.
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Keith
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13 May 2012 15:29 |
That was 6 days before we emigrated over to Florida. now back over the pond in the cold though!
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:32 |
Daughter Grace travelling with husband Theodore (born 1913 Passaic,NJ) - perhaps their honeymoon?
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Grace Vogt Arrival Date: 21 Sep 1938 Birth Year: abt 1916 Birth Location: Rhode Island Birth Location Other: E Greenwich Age: 22 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda Port of Arrival: New York, New York Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Ship Name: Queen of Bermuda
Home was 110 Howe Street, Passaic
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:38 |
It looks like James might have been a bit older than he states?
BENGAFF, Anne Wife Head Married F 43 1838 Labourers Wife Ireland BENGAFF, Isabella Daughter Single F 14 1867 Labourers Daughter Douglas Isle of Man BENGAFF, Henry Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Douglas Isle of Man BENGAFF, Alice Daughter Single F 3 1878 Douglas Isle of Man BENGAFF, James Silvester Son Single M 1 1880 Douglas Isle of Man
Piece: 5603 Folio: 50 Page: 15 Registration District: 15 Civil Parish: Conchan
Address: 9, King Street, Conchan County: Isle of Man _________________________________________________
Isle of Man, Births and Baptisms, 1821-1911
name: James Sylvester Bengaff gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 27 Aug 1879 << birthplace: Douglas, Isle of Man, England death date: name note: race: father's name: James Bengaff father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Anne Tomkins Bengaff mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C00925-4 system origin: Isle of Man-EASy source film number: 454959 reference number: P 231
Source Citation "Isle of Man, Births and Baptisms, 1821-1911," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X5GW-F9X : accessed 13 May 2012), James Sylvester Bengaff, 1879.
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Keith
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13 May 2012 15:46 |
Conchan Isle of Man is where the Quiggin's on my line come from, connected with my other posting...wonder if they knew each other!
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 15:54 |
There's no dates given on these records:
U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 Name: James S Bengaff Address: 81 Rivervale Rd Apt 1-1a, Rivervale, NJ, 07675-6285
U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 Name: James S Bengaff Address: 45 New St, Allendale, NJ, 07401-2122
(Haven't found a death yet for James).
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13 May 2012 15:56 |
Might this be Grace's death?
Social Security Death Index Name: Grace Vogt SSN: 393-01-1837 Last Residence: 32778 Tavares, Lake, Florida, United States of America Born: 7 May 1915 Last Benefit: 32778 Tavares, Lake, Florida, United States of America Died: May 1977 State (Year) SSN issued:
EDIT: Don't think so, believe she remarried.
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MarieCeleste
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13 May 2012 16:04 |
Son John's military:
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
Name: John S Bengaff Birth Year: 1914 Race: White, citizen (White) Nativity State or Country: Rhode Island State of Residence: New Jersey County or City: Passaic Enlistment Date: 25 Jun 1942 Enlistment State: New Jersey Enlistment City: Newark Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Grade: Private Grade Code: Private Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men) Source: Civil Life Education: 1 year of college Civil Occupation: Semiskilled occupations in laundering, cleaning, dyeing, and pressing apparel and other articles Marital Status: Single, with dependents Height: 71 Weight: 167
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