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Just had a quick peek and found that the Tibetot daughters were named Margaret, Millicent and Elizabeth - so thanks for directing me to this site, Ann Cardiff.

I guess Eva was Eva le Scrope after all, then, maybe named after the Tibetot girls' mother as the two families appear to have been close. Although that's just a shot in the dark, of course.

Thank you so much for your help and night night for now.

Will look; many thanks AnnCardiff.

well worth a look this website


Parishes - Langar & Barneston and St. Aubrey's | Thoroton's ...
Eva, the Wife of Robert de Tibetot, was Daughter of ... 1. in Langar, and Barneston, and Bentley, in Yorkshire. ... Margaret, his Wife, and 8 H. 4. left Richard le Scrope ...
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Don't know where the money and honours went though, Ann Cardiff.

There's a lot of fanciful stuff on some family trees - that's why I go for official proof.

However, I've seen a couple of family wills for the Harland and Deighton lines of my family and the best thing about them is that not only the sons inherited. The daughters got their fair share too (as did education of a couple of poor children in Durham) which made me mightily proud that even in the 1700s some of my ancestors believed in equal rights. This also probably explains why there's nothing left - no eldest son inherited the lot.

In fact 99% of the facts I've uncovered about Dad's side (and they were by no means all wealthy and blue-blooded) have been good and, certainly, I've found brothers bringing up each other's children where mothers have died (and even friends' children) - the men seemed to have quite a nurturing side to them, which my Dad inherited.

On the other hand, Mum's side ........ oh, poor Mum and her parents!

That's life - you can't pick your ancestors.

Archives online catalogue : North Yorkshire County Council
North Yorkshire County Council, County Hall, Northallerton, North Yorkshire, DL7 8AD | Tel: 0845 8 72 73 74 | Fax: 01609 532009
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Records and archives : North Yorkshire County Council
North Yorkshire County Council, County Hall, Northallerton, North Yorkshire, DL7 8AD | Tel: 0845 8 72 73 74 | Fax: 01609 532009
www.northyorks.gov.uk/archives - Cached

North Yorkshire Birth Registry
Sub-districts : Richmond, Northallerton, Whitby, Scarborough, Malton, Pickering, Ryedale ... © 2004 - 2012, BMD-Certificates UK Birth Certificates List of Overseas General ...
www.bmd-certificates.co.uk/registry/?northyorkshire.html - Cached

must say you have a lot of blue blood in your tree - mine is all brown - ag lab brown!!!!

Thank you, AnnCardiff.

The Tibetot-le Scrope marriage confirms historical records when le Scrope senior married two of the Tibetot daughters under his guardianship to his sons. I think the other son who married a Tibetot was Geoffrey le Scrope but I don't know what the Tibetot girl's Christian name was.

Le Scrope senior had guardianship of three Tibetot daughters according to historical records.

However, perhaps Eva le Scrope who married Henry de Dyghton was a le Scrope after all.

Northallerton I'm on my way to check records.

name: Joyce Tiptoft Tibetot
gender: Female
birth: 1430
Staffordshire uk
death: 1470
Dudley Castle Staffordshire uk
AFN: 5GWP-9SB

Parents
father: John Tibetot (AFN: 5GX0-N5H )
mother: Joyce De Cherleton (AFN: 5GX0-PLC )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Edmund Sutton (AFN: 5GWN-Q7W )
marriage: 1450
Dudley Castle Staffordshire uk
Hide children (3)

child 1: Joyce Sutton (AFN: 5GWP-D7B )
gender: Female
birth: 1463
Place

child 2: John Sutton (AFN: 5GWP-J9F )
gender: Male
birth: 1461
Dudley Castle Staffordshire uk
death: AFT 1541
Aston-Le-Walls Northamtonshire uk

child 3: Edward Sutton (AFN: 5GWP-G1F )
gender: Male
birth: 1459
Dudley Castle Staffordshire uk
death: 31 Jan 1531/1532
Place

name: Margaret Tibetot
gender: Female
birth: ABT 1368
Nettlestead,Suffolk,England
death: ABT 1418
Bolton,Yorkshire,England
AFN: 2CB8-J1W

Parents
father: Robert Tibetot (AFN: 2C9H-LV9 )
mother: Margaret Deincourt (AFN: 2C9H-L5X )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Richard Le_Scrope (AFN: 2CB8-HVW )
marriage: ABT 1388
Yorkshire,England
Hide children (1)

child 1: Richard Le_Scrope (AFN: 2CB8-HPV )
gender: Male
birth: ABT 1390
Bolton,Yorkshire,England
death: ABT 1420
Bolton,Yorkshire,England

name: Pain De /Tybetot/
gender: Male
birth: 11 Nov 1279
Carmarthen Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales [1]
death: 24 Jun 1314
Battle Of Bannockburn, Stirling, Scotland [1]


Parents
father: Robert Lord De /Tibetot/ (AFN: B1Q9-3F )
mother: Eve De /Chaworth/ (AFN: B1Q8-WF )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Agnes De /Ros/
marriage: ABT 25 Apr 1298
1st Husband [1]
Hide children (2)

child 1: Margaret De /Tibetot/
gender: Female
birth: ABT 1303
Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
death: 15 May 1349


child 2: John 2Nd Baron /Tybotot/
gender: Male
birth: 20 Jul 1313
Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
death: 13 Apr 1367
Nettlestead, Suffolk, England

name: Robert Lord De /Tibetot/
gender: Male
birth: 1246
Hooton Pagnell, West Ride Yorkshire, England
death: AFT 1292
Langar & Berneston, Nottinghamshire, England
burial: Governor Of Castles Of Nottingham, Carmarthen & Cardigan
AFN: B1Q9-3F

Parents
father: Henry Lord De /Tibetot/
mother: Mrs. Henry 1200 /Tibetot/

Marriages (1)
spouse: Eve De /Chaworth/ (AFN: B1Q8-WF )
Hide children (3)

child 1: Hawise De /Tibetot/ (AFN: 9RFQ-8M )
gender: Female
birth: ABT 1270
Langar & Berneston, Nottinghamshire, England
death: BEF 14 Apr 1345


child 2: Ada /Tibetot/ (AFN: )
gender: Female
birth: ABT 1283
Prochester, Nottinghamshire, England
death: ABT 1324


child 3: Pain De /Tybetot/ (AFN: )
gender: Male
birth: 11 Nov 1279
Carmarthen Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales
death: 24 Jun 1314
Battle Of Bannockburn, Stirling, Scotland

Just seen this - will have a look tomorrow [that's today now!!]

To add mud to the water:

Nobody's come up with definite proof of Eva's parentage and I've discovered that Richard le Scrope became the guardian of three Tibetot girls upon the death of their parents. Their parents or grandparents were Sir Robert Tibetot and his wife Eva (de) Chaworth - so the Eva rings a bell.

Richard married two of the girls off to two of his sons but the only name I can find is Margaret so I don't know whether there was an Eva Tibetot or not.

So is there proof of either Richard or Geoffrey le Scrope being Eva's father or was he a Tibetot?

(I think I'll have to visit Northallerton Records Office where the meticulous le Scrope family records are kept.)

Thank you - I've learned something today so it's been a great day.

AFN - Ancestral File No:

not a clue what AFN stands for - everything I posted is from the free Mormon LDS site - www.familysearch.org

Thank you everyone. I apologize for not getting onto the site sooner but I've had one grandchild staying Saturday and another Sunday night. I've now handed them back and I'm free!

AnnCardiff: thanks for the official source (deed 1362 (YAJ 39)). This kind of thing and British Library MSS (officialdom, I know) is exactly what I was after for proof. By the way, what are AFN numbers?

Can anyone tell me how factual the information on RootsWeb is? I'm asking because there's quite a bit on the de la Pole side into Wales, too.

I know that the le Scrope family kept really good records. Apart from a small section burned in a fire, the majority are kept in Northallerton Records Office. Has anyone checked these or got official old documents by any chance?

A distant cousin has copies of wills and has checked with Durham Records Office and the University Archives where a lot of family information is kept on Harlands (de Dyghton descendants) so perhaps I should visit Northallerton and put my two-pennorth in properly.

name: Elena Rotenhering
gender: Female
birth: ABT 1287
of Hull,Yorkshire,England
AFN: 31JS-82W

Parents
father: John Rotenheryng (AFN: 31JS-Q4Q )

Marriages (1)
spouse: William Pole (AFN: 31JS-45T )
marriage: ABT 1300
of Hull,Yorkshire,England
Hide children (3)

child 1: William De La Pole Sir (AFN: 31JH-Z13 )
gender: Male
birth: 1302
of Ravenser Odd,Yorkshire,England
death: 21 Jun 1366/1367
Hull,Yorkshire,England
burial: Kingston-upon-Hu,Yorkshire,England

child 2: John Pole (AFN: 31JS-J64 )
gender: Male
birth: ABT 1304
of Ravenser Odd,Yorkshire,England

child 3: Richard De La Pole (AFN: 31JS-CRR )
gender: Male
birth: ABT 1300
of London,Middlesex,England
death: 1 Aug 1345