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Rose

Did you ever order your parents marriage certificate to confirm their ages and father's names? There doesn't appear to be many Catherine's born in the right time frame, the most likely is in Durham 1914.

If the death posted earlier in the thread for Sidney Charles is right, then I think he was 1 of 14 children born between 1901 and 1921. It could be worth trying to find some of them in search trees - their children may know more about the circumstances. A tree on Ancestry has one of the sisters - Blanch Selina born in 1915 who died fairly recently.

Thankyou very much for youre help i will contact the post adoption team i presume i have to contact bishops stortford for that, also i have sent a message to someone who had blanche perry in their tree but was unsuccesful i presume they are no longer on genes reunited.
thankyou once again

1911 for info - not sure if you already have this, but it could be worth searching trees for some of the other siblings.

Minnie Violet Perry
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Walthamstow, Essex
Civil parish: Takeley
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Mill End, Takeley S O, Essex
Registration district: Dunmow
Registration District Number: 202
Sub-registration district: Thaxted
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 10465
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Ernest Perry 35
Minnie Louise Perry 35
George Frank Perry 10
Minnie Violet Perry 8
Albert William Perry 7
Frederick Arthur Perry 5
Ernest Edward Perry 4
Leonard Victor Perry 3
Walter Henry Perry 2
Annie Louise Perry 1

There were 5 more born after this, the last one in 1921.

thankyou so much its amazing how you found all this information.

Have you managed to find the later children from freebmd? - the info I posted was from the 1911 census.

I havnt as yet, ive searched the trees for the names that you gave to me and have sent many messages, just want to see if iget any replys and matches from those first, thankyou once again

Unfortunatley ive found no matches so far and havnt recieved many replies to my messages. totally stumped now :-|

Hi, did your parents marriage certificate turn up? Could you post the details of Catherine's father - name, occupation whether deceased. It may help in tracking the right birth for her to see if she had any siblings - and what age was she when she married. Also, could the witness names give any further clues?

catherines fathers name was thomas william vest he was a miner and i think they originally came from durham, catherine was 21 at the time of marriage and her residence at time of marriage was the hospital,Rye street,Bishops stortford. i also recieved a copy of my fathers death cert sidney charles perry died 1st march 1979 at herts essex hhosp bishops stortford his last know address was 193 jeround harlow essex. death was registerd by his brother walter henry perry at 36 scott road bishops stortford.

There are two Thomas Vests in the Durham area working as miners. One married to Elizabeth and the other to Annie .

There is a birth for a Catherine in Durham with mothers maiden name Walker

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Catherine Vest Name: Catherine Vest
Mother's Maiden Name: Walker
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1915
Registration district: Durham
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 959 (click to see others on page)

The Thomas married to Elizabeth is a miner

1911 England Census
about Thomas Vest Name: Thomas Vest
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wylam, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Shadforth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: Shadforth Villiage Co Durham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Durham
Registration District Number: 551
Sub-registration district: Durham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 29984
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Vest 32
Elizabeth Vest 27
Mary Ann Vest 6
Jennie Vest 3
Robert Vest 1

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas Vest Name: Thomas Vest
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1903
Registration district: Durham
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 656 (click to see others on page)

Thomas could have married either one of these Elizabeth's

Elizabeth Jane Farrow Jul-Aug-Sep 1903 Durham Durham
Richard Henry Pearse Jul-Aug-Sep 1903 Durham Durham
Thomas Vest Jul-Aug-Sep 1903 Durham Durham
Elizabeth Walker Jul-Aug-Sep 1903 Durham Durham

Vera

1911 census has Richard Henry Pearse married 7 years to Elizabeth Jane, living Willington, Durham. So I think that leaves Thomas Vest married to Elizabeth Walker.

The census posted by Vera looks like the right one, that couple had been married 7 years but it states 4 children all alive - so not sure where the missing one is.

Edit: the missing child is Bertha, born 1903 and with her grandparents on the 1911 census:

Bertha West
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Grandchild
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newfield, Durham, England
Civil parish: Newfield Binchester
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Bridge St Newfield Willington
Occupation: School
Registration district: Auckland
Registration District Number: 547
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Piece: 29736
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Walker 64
Mary Ann Walker 64
Miles Walker 30
Bertha West 7

Who were the witnesses to the Vest/Perry marriage and was Sidneys dad down as Albert Ernest Perry.
What was address for Sidney?

Thankyou Maryb.

Hi Mary, I've looked back through my notes and Sidneys parents were Albert E Perry (c1876) and Minnie L Foxwell (1874). Margaret Rose has had no luck with her fathers siblings so I wondered if she may have more luck with her mothers family.

Think the only way she may get the answers she is looking for will be from cousins - and family gossip.

Thankyou everyone for youre help and yes sidneys father was albert ernest perry and the addres at the time of marriage was millend, takeley

It looks like both her parents died when she was still very young, I wonder who brought her up:

Deaths Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Vest Thomas 37 Lanchester 10a 328

Deaths Jun 1925 (>99%)
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Vest Elizabeth 41 Durham 10a 469

As your Mum´s address at the time of the marriage was a hospital, was she perhaps a nurse living in the nurses home?
May be worth looking into.

Just a little snippet I found during my travels

http://www.stortfordhistory.co.uk/guide10/union_workhouse.html

In 1894, Rye Street Cottage Hospital (See Guide 7) was under construction; the same year a medical inquisition was held on the workhouse. With no hospital nearer than Cambridge or London to tend the working class sick, it was concluded the workhouse should also become the local Infirmary and be renamed Haymeads. By that time there were 112 beds for men and women needing medical care as well as a separate fever ward with bedding of flock, feathers and straw according to the case. Water and air mattresses were also available.

*In February 1929 the Herts & Essex Observer reported the visit to the town of 90 unemployed miners from Newcastle-on-Tyne, on their way to a rally in Trafalgar Square. They spent one night at the Workhouse as 'casuals', then continued on the next day to Ware.



Vera

Thankyou once again i have alot of info to look into, it makes me wonder if catherines parents died whillst she was young maybe she was in a childrens home also, perhaps thats why she couldnt be a mum to me and my siblings

It is difficult to know which children could be her siblings after the 1911 census as there was another Vest/Walker marriage in the area in 1908. But, of those identified from the census I think these are their marriages:

Bertha married Ernest Foster Q4/1923 - 3 children
Mary Ann married George B Richardson Q3/1925 - 7 children
Jennie married Frederick P Mason Q4/1927 - 3 children
Robert married Ada Pickering Q4/1935 - 2 children

You should be able to find the children's details from freebmd, and some of them are still alive and on 192.com, but I can't see any of them on search trees on here or Ancestry.

Not sure if any of this will help, but who knows