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After a few years, Ive come back to my brick wall again to try and see if I can solve things this time.... following the sudden death of my grandfather (the son of the person Im querying).


My great-grandfather - Douglas Leslie Davies - born 14th June 1900 in Dover, Kent (Kingsdowne, Ringwould). Son of Albert George Davies and Alice Ann Davies (formerly Edwards).

Now the plot thickens...

On the 1901 census, Albert (25) and Alice (27) are listed as living in Lewisham with 2 daughters - Mary (age 1) and Hilda (4 months) but no son.

On the same 1901 census, Leslie (Douglas Leslie Davies) is listed as living with George (46) and Mary A (48) Stone as their nephew, alongside their own sons, Albert G, Arthur S and Joshua L (14)

On the 1911 census, Leslie (Douglas Leslie Davies of Dover, Kent) is shown living as the adopted son of Joshua L and Ada Stone at 55 Strode Road, Fulham Cross.

Leslie (Douglas Leslie, adopting the name of Stone) went on to marry Hannah Elizabeth Stevens and had two sons, Derek Charles and Albert Terence (my grandfather).

So... could my great-grandfather Leslie (Douglas Leslie) be a twin with Hilda and his parents could not afford to keep both children?

Also, I cannot work out the connection between George and Mary Stone and Albert and Alice Davies? Is there one, how to find out?

Can anyone help/advise me, am I missing something?

Would be eternally grateful, thank you.

1901 England Census
about Douglas Davies
Name: Douglas Davies
Age: 9 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsdown, Kent, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 279
Piece: 9
Folio: 142
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
George Stone 57
Jennie Stone 45
Douglas Davies 9 Months


Is this the census? The names/ages differ from your post?

1911 England Census
about Leslie Davies
Name: Leslie Davies
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Adopted Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Over, Kent, England
Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 55 Strode Road, Fulham Cross S W
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 278
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Stone 35
Ada Stone 39
Leslie Davies 10


Are you thinking this is the same Joshua as the one in 1901? He is too old if he was 14 was 14 10 years earlier?

"So... could my great-grandfather Leslie (Douglas Leslie) be a twin with Hilda"

No. Douglas would be 4/5 months older than the Hilda mentioned plus in most cases twins share the same birth index reference.

1901 England Census
about Albert Davies
Name: Albert Davies
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Deu German Subject

Civil parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 223
Piece: 561
Folio: 19
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Davies 25
Alice Davies 27
Mary Davies 1
Hilda Davies 4 Months <<<<<<<<<<<<<<Born London
Ernst Blasini 25
Mabel Bowditch 19


If Ive posted the correct census fo Douglas in 1901, he is listed as 9months and here Hilda is 4months so they cant be twins

Hilda Davies birth I would think, in Lewisham as per 1901 census so not a twin. (are you sure this is same family?)

Births Dec 1900 (>99%)

Davies Hilda Koch Lewisham 1d 1180

Hi,

This looks more like him though in 1901?

1901 England Census about Douglas Davies
Name: Douglas Davies
Age: 9 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsdown, Kent, England
Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 279
Piece: 9
Folio: 142
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stone 57
Jennie Stone 45
Douglas Davies 9 Months

Regards Jackie

The adoptive parents:-

Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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IZZAR Clara Jane Fulham 1a 471
Izzard Clara Jane Fulham 1a 471
Miller Henry George Fulham 1a 471
xxx Mower Ada Frances Fulham 1a 471
xxxx STONE Joshua Leopold Fulham 1a 471

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1901 England Census about Joshua L Stone

Name:Joshua L Stone
Age:26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Ada F Stone
Gender:Male
Where born:Willesden, Middlesex, England
Civil parish:Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish:St Jude Kensal Green
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street Address:

Occupation: Builders Blacksmith

Registration district:Paddington
Sub-registration district:North West Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel:10
Household schedule number:493
Piece:18
Folio:119
Page Number:74
Household Members:
Name Age
Joshua L Stone 26
Ada F Stone 30

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1891 England Census about Joshua L Stone
Name:Joshua L Stone
Age:14
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1877
Relation:Son
Father's Name:George Stone
Mother's Name:Mary A Stone
Gender:Male
Where born:Willesden, London, England
Civil parish:Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish:Emmanuel
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district:Paddington
Sub-registration district:St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel:33
Piece:10
Folio:19
Page Number:34
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stone 46 born: Shoud, Gloucestershire (occupation Coal ?)
Mary A Stone 48 born: Shoud, Gloucestershire
Albert G Stone 31 (son) born: Paddington, London (age could be 21)
Arthur S Stone 19 born: Paddington, London
Joshua L Stone 14

The connection to the stones:

1881:

Name: Joshua Stone
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Stone
Mother's Name: Mary A. Stone
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Woodfield Rd
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 24b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 9
Folio: 118
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stone 36
Mary A. Stone 38
A. George Stone 11
A. Thomas Stone 9
Joshua Stone 4

anyone found the marriage of Alice ann Edwards?

Not yet.

As Albert was a foreign correspondent in 1901 and a German Subject then I suppose it is possible that the marriage to Alice took place outside the UK.

When Gillian returns to the thread perhaps she will confirm what was indicated as his father's occupation on Douglas Leslie's birth certificate.

Dear All,

Thank you SO MUCH for all your replies, keep them coming :-D

On Douglas Leslie's birth certificate his father's occupation is down as Printer Master.

Re Hilda Koch Davies these are her parents...as per that 1901 census
marriage..so NOT the right parents of Douglas?


Name: Albert Emil Kock ( Koch) Davies
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Alice Amelia Blanche Berry
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Apr 1898
Parish: Hatcham St Catherine
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: August Davies
Spouse Father Name: John Russell Berry
Register Type: Parish Register


Foreign Correspondent on image

I have Douglas Leslie's birth parents, from the birth certificate, as:-

Albert George Davies and Alice Ann(e) Davies, formerly Edwards. Albert's occupation on the birth certificate of Douglas Leslie as Printer Master.


Hilda Davies was a potential sibling I was looking at, but I dont think she was part of the same family.

1911 England Census
Name: Emil Davies <<<<<<Married 12 years
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, England
Civil parish: Carshalton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Melita House, Grosvenor Avenue Wallington Carshalton, Surrey
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 12
Estimated Marriage Year: 1899
Occupation: Manager Of Financial House
Registration district: Epsom
Registration District Number: 31
Sub-registration district: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Household schedule number: 289
Piece: 2925
Household Members: Name Age
Emil Davies 35
Alice Davies 37
Mary Davies 11
Hilda Davies 10
Ernest Davies 8
Eva Barsley 20 <<Companion


This looks like the family in 1911 despite Albert giving his birth place as London

Four children born and four living.........wheres the other one then!

It would be my 'guess' only in the absence of a marriage for Albert George Davies to Alice that, Albert G Stone is the father of Douglas Leslie and mothers name is her own ie Davies... and that the child was then adopted into his father's family ???

Hi Gins,
I found this family too - hence my asking earlier in the trail if there was a closer connection between Hilda and my great-grandfather (ie twins, albeit 5 months apart in age, if hers is correct). However, the head of the family (Emil) looked to be wrong, Im looking for an Albert George married to Alice Ann(e).

How you all keep your cool with things like this is beyond me.

Thank you for the continued support, help and suggestions.

The family with Hilda in is not connected.

1871 England Census about George Stone
Name:George Stone
Age:26
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1845
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Mary Ann Stone
Gender:Male
Where born:Barnwood Wear, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish:Paddington
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 37a
Household schedule number: 20
Piece:18
Folio: 7
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stone 26
Mary Ann Stone 29 - born: Stand, Gloucestershire
Albert Stone 1 - born: Paddington, Middlesex

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about George Albert Stone

Name:George Albert Stone
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1870
Baptism Date:31 Jul 1870
Father's Name:George Stone
Occupation: A Carman
Mother's Name:Mary Ann Stone
Parish or Poor Law Union:Paddington St Peter
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers
Address: 37 Chippenham Mews
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur Thomas Stone

Name:Arthur Thomas Stone
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1875
Baptism Date:31 Oct 1875
Father's Name:George Stone
Mother's Name:Mary Stone
Parish or Poor Law Union:Paddington St Peter
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers

baptised the same day (so another son of George and Mary):-

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Walter John Stone

Name:Walter John Stone
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1875
Baptism Date:31 Oct 1875
Father's Name:George Stone
Mother's Name:Mary Stone
Parish or Poor Law Union:Paddington St Peter
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers

unfortunately:-
Deaths Jun 1876 (>99%)
STONE Walter John 1 Kensington 1a 7
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probable marriage for George and Mary Ann:-


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Stone

Name:George Stone
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1843
Occupation: Carman
Address: 39 Princess Street
Spouse Name:Mary Ann Lewis
Spouse Age:27
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:20 Sep 1868
Parish:St Marylebone St Matthew
Borough:Westminster
Father Name:George Stone
Occupation: Labourer
Spouse Father Name:Adam Lewis
Occupation: Clothworker
Register Type:Parish Register

...............but the only way to be sure is to buy the birth cert. of one of the children.

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death of Mary Ann Stone:-

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Stone Mary Ann 49 Paddington 1a 28
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What is the address on Douglas Leslie's birth cert please?

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