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Jonesey

Jonesey Report 22 Apr 2012 09:38

Edna Ann Duxbury, born 25/9/1895, the daughter of Thomas Duxbury and his wife Emma never married:

Births Dec 1895
Duxbury Edna Ann Burnley 8e 174

DUXBURY, Thomas Head Married M 46 1865 Surface Foreman Colliery Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Emma Wife Married
17 years F 45 1866 Housewife Stanbury Yorkshire VIEW
DUXBURY, Benjamin Burwin Son Single M 17 1894 Cotton Weaver Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Edna Ann Daughter Single F 15 1896 Cotton Weaver Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Tom Son Single M 7 1904 School Boy Burnley Lancashire VIEW
DUXBURY, Edith Daughter Single F 4 1907 Burnley Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24807 Reference:
RG14PN24807 RG78PN1421 RD472 SD1 ED29 SN146

Registration District:
Burnley Sub District:
East Ward Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Burnley

Address:
171 Colne Road Burnley

Name: Edna Ann Duxbury
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1895
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1971
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 2089

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 22 Apr 2012 09:57


I am getting rather confused lol !!!! Shirley where do the Duxburys come into your family ? where are we going down from. :-S

Barbara x

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 22 Apr 2012 10:03

Barbara,

I don't think so for 2 reasons:

1) Why would Mark Duxbury, his wife Mary, William S Hewitt and Fred Proctor all end up in the same grave if not connected in some way to the Esther that William Hewitt married?

2) This, note her birth year:

Name: Esther Proctor
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 917

P.S. To avoid confusing Shirley (Any more at least) I have corrected the birth details for Mark Duxbury's daughter Esther to the correct one as noted by yourself. Thanks for pointing out my earlier error.

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 22 Apr 2012 10:27

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Baptisms: 10 Jul 1887 St James, Gorton, Lancashire, England
Esther Duxbury - Child of Mark Duxbury & Esther
Born: 3 Jun 1887
Abode: Gorton
Occupation: Warehouseman
Baptised by: George Philpot Rector
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1892, Page 222, Entry 1769
Source: LDS Film 2113170

Barbara x :-)

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 22 Apr 2012 10:32

Barbara,

As you say it will be helpful when Shirley comes back to tell us how she and the Duxbury's are connected. When starting out on a journey it is as important to know where you are starting from as it is to know where you are going to. ;-)

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 22 Apr 2012 10:39

Yes, I do like to try and work backward , from what people actually know--as to work the other way seems to be when a lot more mistakes are made.

I will Edit my other posts.

Barbara x :-)

Shirley

Shirley Report 22 Apr 2012 10:54

Thanks barbara and jonesy, you have given me so much info. Yes, probably right, that mark is not mine, and more likely to be the one who died in ossy in 1875. Think its better if i get that certificate first. Yes, barbara, those ossy ones are mine, i am descended from richard, marks brother. The only reason i was tracking mark(the wrong one i now see) is to get an angle on thomas's dad john. This is the thomas who married ann hurst/hirst in 1844 in ossy . Id looked for marriages of some of the others, but only found george and james and richard marrying. Thomas and ann had nine children until thomas remarried in the 1860's after annes death. Have found no marriage for betty born 1844 though she could be down as a hurst/hirst as she was born before their marriage. No marriage for nancy born 1851, or for thomas born 1853 and ann born 1856. Or jane born 1861. Thomas senior died in burnley in 1890, he commited suicide, inquest in paper.
In my madness, i thought that if i tried to track the children of thomas's burials i would maybe find a clue as to thomas's dad.
But i do think there may be a family connection somewhere becausethe mark senior you found Jonesy, was born in Rishton around correct time to be maybe connected to thomas's dad. So who knows, all your brilliant info will be very useful, and thanks to barbara too. And it will help with the duxbury tree, there is a website and it may help all the other duxbury's trying to connect up.
Its definately still work in progress but thats all part of the fun. People on here have been amazing over the years and i do appreciate all the help they have given me.
Anyone wanting to hurt their brain and try and discover who is thomas duxbury's father , feel free. On his marriage certificate, he is down as john duxbury , weaver. On some census Thomas is down as born in Rishton approx 1823, but that date varies. He remarried agnes fairburn nee alderson in burnley before the 1871 census. Oh, ive had a plan. Get that latest certificate, may give me a clue. Or it could say.... john duxbury , weaver ...... ??
I have thomas on every census apart from the 1841 until he dies in 1890. If i could only find him on the 1841, that might help. Think in the distant past i did find him , maybe with dad in oswaldtwistle. Or Rishton, or great harwood, will check that too.
shirley :-)

Shirley

Shirley Report 22 Apr 2012 11:03

For information, I am descended directly from richard duxbury, born 1845 in oswaldtwistle, second child, first son, of thomas duxbury born approx 1823 in Rishton -ish. He married ann hurst/hirst in 1844 at emmanuel church in oswaldtwistle. They had nine children before ann's death and then he remarried agnes(agness) fairburn nee alderson , he was in burnley on the 1871 census by this time. He was in marsden with his son george and other son james on the 1881, whilst agnes was still back in burnley.
I have followed mark, or the one i thought was my mark, thinking someone somewhere may have a clue as to thomas's dad. but i do think the new mark is connected somehow further back. Esther is also a family name.
hope that helps to make sense of my mind going all over the place. ?
shirley

Shirley

Shirley Report 22 Apr 2012 11:09

Just to add barbara, richard duxbury died in wombwell, he married hannah smith . They had two children before his death, abel and pathinia, who i think were born in wombwell.
shirley

Shirley

Shirley Report 22 Apr 2012 11:19

But hannah and her two children moved back to burnley and hannah remarried to a william jones from france. Abel duxbury married elizabeth parr and had leonard duxbury think about 1890. Its that long since ive looked at them. Then leonard married my great gran Mary hannah pickles and had my grandad herbert duxbury. Herbert married mabel hocking and had my mum . So its all correct until thomas and i can not get further back than him, due to John being such a common name . ! :-)

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 22 Apr 2012 13:00

Ok Shirley, Just got it all printed off so I can take a look at it, I am just going to have something to eat and hopefully will be back soon .

Barbara x

Shirley

Shirley Report 22 Apr 2012 17:56

thanks barbara and jonesy !! off to work now, back very late, will look on here then.

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 23 Apr 2012 00:49

Shirley
Did you know about little Alfred -- Bless him


West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
about Alfred Duxbury

Name:

Alfred Duxbury

Parish: Darton, All Saints

Baptism Date: 28 Apr 1870

Father's Name: Richard Duxbury(miner)

Mother's Name: Hannah Duxbury

Prtvate Baptism

============================================
West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985

about Alfred Duxbury

Name: Alfred Duxbury

Birth Year: abt 1869
Parish:Darton, All Saints
Burial Date: 9 May 1870

Burial Age: 1

=================================================

1871 census --living at --Shaws Row, Darton, Barnsley
Richard--28--coal miner--Where born: Church, Lancashire
Hannah--27--Burnley
Abel 8months--born Darton

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4643; Folio: 78; Page: 31; GSU roll: 848408

Barbara x

just putting this on to make sure i have the right family for you Shirley

Shirley

Shirley Report 23 Apr 2012 02:21

Yes, thanks barbara, you have the right family. Think Richard died in the 1870's , will check, but have been so sidetracked with trying to get further back that ive not looked at richard etc for years. He died in wombwell, area anyway, very young. Hannah came back with children. Think poor pathinia died young too, her husband , william cundy gilbert remarried after her death. Dont think they had any surviving children. But Abel had some, one of which was leonard. Abel married elizabeth parr, daughter of allen parr and they were originally from wigan. William cundy gilbert was from cornwall.
Thanks for telling me about alfred, i didnt know about him. Abel had a son called alfred also, but he survived.
Its very late, going to bed now. I am addicted to family history....
shirleyx

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 23 Apr 2012 03:06

I can't see a death index for Barnsley area but this could be the one

Deaths Dec 1877

Duxbury Richard 33 Burnley 8e 153
=============================

And maybe Pathinia

Deaths Dec 1905

GILBERT Pathines 33 Burnley 8e 141


Barbara x


ADDED---


The record for the 1877 death for Richard

Burial: 15 Nov 1877 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Richard Duxbury -
Age: 33yrs
Abode: Smallshaw
Grave: 15759
Notes: Buried in a Public Grave
Register: Burials 1873 - 1879, Page 186, Entry 17797
Source: Original Registers Book 3

Shirley

Shirley Report 23 Apr 2012 08:43

opps, yes, my memory playing tricks. was sure he died in barnsley. He was very young, ive not got death certificate but another cousin has somewhere. Hannah smith remarried to william jones, born in paris apparently. Think they went on to have arthur jones. Yes, thats pathinia. Shame none of their children survived past early years.
I know im focussing on trying to find the source of john duxbury, but really i do like the human stories and would love a photo of any of them, unfortunately havent managed that yet. The people that have been managing the duxbury family tree have not been able to join my tree to the main one yet, its a very hard task, but i refuse to give up. there is a clue out there somewhere.
thanks to anyone who has helped me, suggestions and help most gratefully recieved.
shirley

Shirley

Shirley Report 23 Apr 2012 21:00

i have founed jane marrying again, marks widow. she remarried to a john chippendale in 1876. suppose that doesnt help any but its another extra fact
shirley

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 23 Apr 2012 22:41

Is that the right Jane Duxbury - I may have missed it but this Jane was formerly Tattersall

Marriage: 25 Jan 1876 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
John Chippendale - Full Pointsman Bachelor of Oswaldtwistle
Jane Duxbury - (X), Full Widow of Oswaldtwistle
Groom's Father: Peter Chippendale, Engineer
Bride's Father: John Tattersall, Labourer
Witness: James Jackson; William Foulds
Married by Banns by: Danl. M. Sykes
Register: Marriages 1868 - 1879, Page 185, Entry 369


edit - sorry Shirley I had missed it

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DUXBURY Mark TATTERSALL Jane Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackburn RM/50/103
Source: LDS Film 1478023

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 24 Apr 2012 03:15

Have you had a look at this ---it comes from an Ancestry Tree . so could be wrong !!!

This is who they have for Thomas's Parents ?? (They do have Thomas' wife and children on too ---and Thomas as born in Rishton )


Also they have Nancy as Ann Nancy Manley (not just Nancy) born 1789

Marriage: 23 Apr 1810 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
John Duxbury - Weaver of this Chapelry
Nancy Manley - (X), Spinster of this Chapelry
Witness: James Duxbury; James Ellis
Married by Banns by: W Wilkinson, Assistant Curate
Register: Marriages 1805 - 1812, Page 169, Entry 39
Source: LDS Film 1471065

I can't find them on 1841 census though !!

wonder if this is why ?

Burial: 23 Oct 1832 St Paul, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Nancy Duxbury -
Age: 43 Years
Abode: Blackburn
Buried by: J. Price
Register: Burials 1830 - 1840, Page 54, Entry 16
Source: LDS Film 1656733




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I have added the burial record for Richard on my post above with the death index on it

Barbara X

Shirley

Shirley Report 24 Apr 2012 07:29

Hi Barbara
Thanks for the add of richard, i didnt have that, but i do remember he was in a public grave.
But the Colne connection is wrong. Someone a while ago decided the colne lot were ours, but they arent. It would be good if they were, there is a lot of info and a book on the colne duxburys, and i work in colne in the library so i would be in the ideal spot.
They do have a mark duxbury born 1858 though, so not sure if somewhere they have a distant connection. They do have a thomas born at a similar time. But think i have tracked that thomas, and he is not the same as mine. They are probably down on the 1841 census in colne(nancy and thomas) as danbury like lots of the duxbury's on ancestry. will have a look. think it was a distant cousin who connected us to the colne lot, and he was very good at research, so i will double check in case i have missed something, but i think i did find something in the past that disproved it.
thanks barbara
will post if i find that disproving fact . :-)