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thanks guys it all seems to fit in

least one side seems relatively normal lol

:-D
thanks for all your help

find anymore gossip on the judes let us know lol

Lisa - are there any old relatives who may be able to verify who Rose married? I'd hate to think we've gone off on a wrong tangent.

Does anyone know where and when Rose died? We could at least check the birth year on her death record against the other records found.

she did marry bridger and jarvis i think there was a daughter in the bridger marriage and then my nan was daughter of bays and jarvis.

my mum knows more i think but will look at her paperwork when i see her at the weekend

but i think what you have found and what bits my mum has told me youve got the right info

thanks

(just to add, Daniel senior is annoying me, his whereabouts 1911, reckon he was hiding in a cupboard!, lol)...

Looking at Army Record of son Daniel, living at 75, Lea Bridge Gardens is Mary Mead...

1911

MEAD, Mary Head Widow F 57 1854 Charwoman Hackney Middlesex
MEAD, Polly Daughter Single F 22 1889 Laundrey Hand Hackney Middlesex
MEAD, Daniel Son Single M 18 1893 Carmen Hackney Middlesex
EUWELL, Annie Lodger Single F 25 1886 Laundrey Hand Hackney Middlesex
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9655 Reference:
RG14PN9655 RG78PN513B RD188 SD9 ED22 SN327
Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
North Leyton Enumeration District:
22 Parish:
Low Leyton
Address:
75 Lea Bridge Gardens Leyton E County:
Essex

Below are the War Casualties...


BRIDGER, J
Rank:Private
Service No:253498
Date of Death:11/04/1917
Age:25
Regiment/Service:London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers)
3rd Bn.
Grave Reference Wancourt Road Cem. No.2 Mem. Panel 3.
Cemetery LONDON CEMETERY, NEUVILLE-VITASSE
Additional Information:
Husband of Rose Jarvis (formerly Bridger), of 66, Richmond Rd., Dalston, London.


MEAD, JOSEPH WILLIAM
Rank:Private
Service No:G/4410
Date of Death:25/10/1916
Age:34
Regiment/Service:Royal Fusiliers
2nd Bn.
Panel Reference Pier and Face 8 C 9 A and 16 A.
Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Mrs. Mary Mead, of 11, Arkley Rd., Walthamstow, Essex; husband of Frances Ellen Mead, of 14, High Hill Ferry, Upper Clapton, London


Deaths Jun 1931 (>99%)
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Jude Daniel 72 Hackney 1b 452


(have found Marriage Banns 1882 Cambridge, for a Daniel Jude, Marriage didn't take place!)

Chris :)

lol chris i dont no about u but im getting confused :-S

right rose bays married bridger and had a child matilda born 1915

then jarvis and had my nan eva rose

rose bays was born 1895 and died 1965

thats all i have but with all you've given me it all fits :-)

Sorry, I must be missing something!

Where does Matilda born 1915 come into it? Rose married Joseph Bridger in 1916, so is this a daughter she had before?

Must be:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Matilda Bays
Mother's Maiden Name: Bays
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1915
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 928

This is better than an episode of Eastenders!! lol

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Matilda Bays
Name: Matilda Bays
Spouse Name: William Robinson
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 865

Thought I'd go back to the original Judes for a while.

Re-reading that newspaper article about the bigamy, it said Daniel Jude had been living with a woman for 9 years (that was in 1895) so this must be them in 1891:

JUDE, Daniel Head Married M 33 1858 Plate Excavator Barrington Cambridgeshire
JUDE, Annie Wife Married F 44 1847 Comberton Cambridgeshire
CLARK, Mary F 13 1878 Clapton Middlesex

Registration District: West Ham
Civil Parish: West Ham
Municipal Borough: West Ham

Address: 22, New Street, West Ham, Stratford County: Essex

Wonder if she's the one he didn't marry in 1888?

Is this Daniel senior finally getting married legitimately?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Daniel Jude, widower, a labourer of 42 Ansty Street.
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Annie Layton, widow of 62 Ansty Street
Spouse Age: 50
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jul 1921
Parish: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Jude (deceased)
Spouse Father Name: Henry Houghton (deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Henry South and George Wiskin.

Wonder if this is the same Annie he was with in 1891? (No, perhaps not, that one was quite a bit older than him).

marie yea apparantly she had matilda before which you've found.
im confused coz
daniel jude married mary green in 1891
so did he marry again in 1921 to annie layton then?

it could have been her he was living with first coz there is 10 yrs between them?

and whos mary clark for goodness sake lol

when did mary green die? seems she died he went back to the annie he was living with originally and married her dont it

Lisa, I'm guessing that Mary Clark was perhaps the daughter of the Annie he was with in 1891. Census says Annie was his wife but doubt that they were actually married.

Not sure when Mary Green/Mead/Parry died but bearing in mind that the marriage between her and Daniel senior wasn't valid then he wouldn't have to wait for her to die before he married again (sounds awful, but you know what I mean!)

I'm not sure that it's the same Annie now I've looked at the info again. The Annie he was with in 1891 was born 1847 ish whereas the one he married in 1921 was born around 1871 - quite a difference.

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
Name: Annie Jude
Electoral Year: 1922
Parliamentary Division: Bermondsey
County or Borough: Southwark

Living at 42 Ainsty Street, Rotherhithe with Daniel. Also at no 42 were a John and Matilda Sargent. (May have been a rooming house). 42 Ansty Street was the address on the 1921 marriage.

From 1924 to 1927 Annie is still at the same address, along with John and Matilda Sargent - but there is no mention of Daniel.

From 1929 she is living at 5 St Mary's Place, Rotherhithe. She's on her own that year but from then on until 1933 there is also an Alfred Joseph and Mary Theresa Cahill with her. Again, no mention of Daniel.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Have found a Daniel Jude living alone at various addresses in Hackney from 1926 to 1931. Looks like the marriage of Daniel and Annie didn't work out.

Think I've found Daniel senior in 1911:

JUDE, David Head Married M 53 1858 General Labourer Cambridge Cambridge
JUDE, Annie Wife Married 7 years F 46 1865 Devonshire Mosten Hampstead

Registration District: Edmonton
Sub District: East Tottenham
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Tottenham

Address: 5 Arthur Road Tottenham County: Middlesex

The name on the original is definitely Daniel. The "married for 7 years" is probably a fabrication. It states that Annie had borne 3 children, all still alive. Whether they were with Daniel or someone else is anyone's guess!

Heaven knows if Daniel went through a phase of only having relationships with women if they were called Annie, or if it's the same one. The birth years and birthplaces are all over the place.

Gracious, what's Daniel senior been up to now, lol, 1911 looks good, the 1891 had me boggled too.

Can see him at home, Barrington 1881, Father dies 1882, Mother goes on until 1902...Marriage Banns Cambridge 1882 to a Selah Chapman (says not listed as Married)...

Probably he was doing railway work, Barrington and Foxton are across the railway line from each other, (with a level crossing these days) most of them would have found work, and a lot went on to Stratford, West Ham way with rail work.
Then seems Daniel discovers Hackney, and his life is now being uncovered,lol, lol.

Marry Perry lost her Father 1879, and her Mother 1873, she then seemed to errm...wander!. (she came from Fowlmere, which then was Foulmire, near Barrington, Cambs.)

Phew!, what next, I wonder...

Chris :)

edits (wonder what things say on Birth Cert. of Daniel William Jude)

omg lol what a fiasco! im in a right muddle now lol

*Pulls up comfy chair, puts feet up, sits back and waits with baited breath for the next instalment!* :-D

chuckles :-D

aint ya glad i posted for info! ;-)

hi guys the daniel jude born 1859

do we know when he died?

o its ok i see it was 1921 :-S