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I'll have a dig around and see if I can find anything else to confirm it.

Any suggestions please ......

Been for lunch, need to find a marriage for Martha Rowbottom to Richard Gregson. Also need to try to find her in 1881 and 1871, just to check.

Meanwhile, I found this - same birthplace as the chap on the 1851:

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975" Philemon Rowbotham (1795)

name: Philemon Rowbotham
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 Aug 1795
baptism/christening place: , CHAPEL EN LE FRITH, DERBY, ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name:
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Peggy Rowbotham
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C04851-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1041915
reference number:

Take your pick which variant spelling of surname you prefer!

This is Martha in 1911, note the middle name of her youngest grandson - same as her own son in 1891:


LONGWORTH, John Head Married M 49 1862 Cloth Beetle Finisher Lancashire Whitefield
LONGWORTH, Eliza Wife Married 25 years F 46 1865 Derbyshire Chapel in Le Frith
LONGWORTH, Annie Daughter Single F 24 1887 Plaiter Lancashire Whitefield
LONGWORTH, Ellen Daughter Single F 22 1889 Cotton Draw Frame Tenter Lancashire Farnworth
LONGWORTH, Lizzie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Plaiter Lancashire Gt Lever
LONGWORTH, William Son Single M 15 1896 Apprentice Millwright Lancashire Farnworth
LONGWORTH, John Handel Son M 4 1907 Lancashire Great Lever
TRICKETT, Martha Mother-In-Law Widow F 69 1842 Derbyshire Edale

Registration District: Bolton
Sub District: Great Bolton and Lever
Enumeration District: 25
Parish: Bolton

Address: 342 Crescent Road Bolton County: Lancashire

John & Eliza's marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1886
GREGSON Eliza Bury 8c 609
LONGWORTH John Bury 8c 609
PETED Annie Bury 8c 609
Walker James Bury 8c 609

(I'm going round the houses a bit to get to where I want to be!)

Did she marry for a 3rd time after Gregson or am i missing the point - sorry

Mark - that 1886 marriage is her daughter Eliza.

I wanted to be sure that it was actually her daughter so that I could find them in 1871 and 1881. I've confirmed that but I still can't find Martha, Handel or Eliza in those census.

It's possible that after her first husband died (although I can't find that marriage) she lived with someone else and they were recorded under that name.

Time for a fresh pair of eyes ......

Thank you for your help today very much appreciated

if anyone else has any idea would be greatfully appreciated

Mark, Derek has a Derbyshire look-up thread http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1191073

You could perhaps put a link to this thread and ask if he can find any records.

Martha's daughter Eliza was born Chapel-en-le-Frith 1865 ish, maybe he can find a baptism.

Would this fit that i may of found ........

Charles Gregson married to Martha Rowbottom/Rowbotham

MArk - where did you find that? What year?

i tried ancestry marriages but i'm not confident to say its actually mine

I looked on ancestry but can't see anything for the right year - do you want to give more detail and I'll follow it through? (or try!)

i'm beginning to doubt myself again now

Charles Gregson to Martha Rowbottom

Yes, but WHAT YEAR is this marriage supposed to have happened!!

On a different slant I think this might be Martha's mother and Martha with family in 1861. As Martha is listed as a weaver I think her age is badly written and she is 19 but she is listed as Cresswell!

1861??

Name: Elizabeth Rowbottom
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Edale, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Glossop
Ecclesiastical parish: Beard
Town: New Mills
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Hayfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 2554
Folio: 52
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Rowbottom 49
Martha Cresswell 10
James W Cresswell 9 Months
John Cresswell 18
Mar E Rowbottom 13
Rachel H Rowbottom 6

K, that fits in nicely with the 1851 I posted - there was a Sarah Cressell on that.

Perhaps Elizabeth had children from before she married Philomen?

As its a second marriage her husband and inlaw would not be related to me ..... just really interested in Martha and if her husband is Gregson (Charles)

I know boundaries have changed over the years between parts of Cheshire and Derbyshire:

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," Philemon Rowbotham in entry for Mary Ellen T Rowbotham (1848)

name: Mary Ellen T Rowbotham
event: Christening
event date: 22 Oct 1848
event place: St Thomas, Hyde, Cheshire, England
gender: Female
age:
marital status:
father: Philemon Rowbotham
mother: Elizabeth Rowbotham
spouse:
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father:
spouse's mother:
film number: 2186938
digital folder number: 4019279
image number: 27

Mark, I do think her husband was Richard - not Charles. Note the marriage of their son, father's name given as Richard.

The reason for tracing other branches of her family is to try to get the full picture in order to find that elusive marriage to Mr Gregson.

It's looking that Martha may actually have been born a Cresswell which might have helped lead us to the marriage but if you're not interested in that branch then I'll stop looking.