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Been for lunch, need to find a marriage for Martha Rowbottom to Richard Gregson. Also need to try to find her in 1881 and 1871, just to check.

Meanwhile, I found this - same birthplace as the chap on the 1851:

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975" Philemon Rowbotham (1795)

name: Philemon Rowbotham
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 Aug 1795
baptism/christening place: , CHAPEL EN LE FRITH, DERBY, ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name:
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Peggy Rowbotham
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C04851-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1041915
reference number:

Take your pick which variant spelling of surname you prefer!

Any suggestions please ......

I'll have a dig around and see if I can find anything else to confirm it.

MarieCeleste

You are an absolute star ;) thank you ever so much - now to findout who mr gregson is who she married ...

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1851 England Census
Name: Martha Rowbolton [Martha Rowbottom]
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Philemon Rodbottin
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Rodbottin
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Edale, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Charlesworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Charlesworth
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:

Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Glossop
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 2152
Folio: 523
Page Number: 46

Household Members:
Name Age
Philemon Rodbottin 56 < Labourer
Elizabeth Rodbottin 40
Sarah Cressel 17
Mary Rodbottne 16
Martha Rowbolton 9 ??
John Rowbolton 7
Ellen Rowbolton 3
Philemon Rowbolton 1 Mo

They've had fun with those transcriptions! I'd say it's definitely Rowbottom on the original.

The occupation reads as possibly - Tanner

Possible spelling for fathers name is ......

First name begins with P or R and continues with ....

_ i l_nan or man

.. and can you make out the father's first name? Does it give his late occupation?

In the section where it states fathers name - also states deceased

Mark, where exactly on the certificate does it saw Roebottom?

What does it give as her father's name?

ok so why is the surname showing as Roebottom or variant spelling

I think this may be the son's marriage, so it gives us Martha's first husband's name:

Marriage: 13 Apr 1895 St Thomas, Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Handel Gregson - 27 Weaver Bachelor of Barrowford
Martha Ann Smithson - 23 Weaver Spinster of Barrowford
Groom's Father: Richard Gregson, Deceased, Weaver
Bride's Father: Isaiah Smithson, Weaver
Witness: Charles Smithson; Emma Burrows
Married by Banns by: A F S Studdy Vicar
Register: Marriages 1844 - 1900, Page 135, Entry 270
Source: LDS Film 1471022

1891 matches on place of birth

Name: Martha Gregson
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Edale, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Turton
Ecclesiastical parish: Walmesley (Walmsley)
Town: Bradshaw
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Turton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3110
Folio: 60
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Gregson 50
Handel Gregson 23
William Taylor 24

No my 3x great grandad Robert Trickett married a lady her 2nd marriage and i did not realise until this morning when i looked again at the certificate that she was a widow

On the 1901 Martha's birthplace is shown as Edale, so this could well be her in 1891:

GREGSON, Martha Head Widow F 50 1841 Weaver Cotton Mill Edale Derbyshire
GREGSON, Handel Son Single M 23 1868 Weaver Cotton Mill Heywood Lancashire
TAYLOR, William Lodger Single M 24 1867 Loom Overlooker Cotton Mill Shuttleworth Lancashire

Registration District: Bolton
Civil Parish: Turton

Address: 56, Cox Green Road, Turton, Bradshaw County: Lancashire

Mark, is it her father's name that you're struggling to make out as that would be her maiden name?

I have my 3 x great grandfathers marriage certicates from the GRO... and the certicate says Widow

It would appear that i am looking for a marriage between a male Gregson to a female Rowbottom or variat of spelling

Where have you got her maiden name from ?

Name: Robert Trickett
Probate Date: 22 Nov 1907
Death Date: 3 Nov 1907
Death Place: Derbyshire, England
Registry: London


Robert Trickett of Highgate, Hayfield, Derbyshire
George William Eyre, printers foreman and Samuel Bowden, assistant overseer
Effects £1125 15s 6d



Did his wife die before him?

From FreeBMD

Marriages Mar 1897 (>99%)
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GREGSON Martha Bolton 8c 581
HIGGINBOTTOM James Bolton 8c 581
SWINDELLS Annie Bolton 8c 581
Trickett Robert Bolton 8c 581


Do you mean this one ?

1901 is this the couple ?

Name: Robert Trickett
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Trickett
Gender: Male
Where born: Rossendale, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Hayfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Phoside
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Hayfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 3278
Folio: 27
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Trickett 75
Martha Trickett 59