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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Sep 2020 10:42

If you want to have accurate info on your tree, it is usually necessary to purchase copy certs. If you aren't prepared to do that, you may be left forever guessing

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Sep 2020 20:25

Rose, on your other thread you said to Erika,

"ErikaH I still do not think that is the Johanna I am looking for as according to the 1881 census she is still living with her parents and siblings 26 Little Wild Street, St Giles."

If you are talking about the 1882 death which Erika suggested, the death is obviously the year after the 1881 census, so not impossible.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Sep 2020 20:16

Previous thread about this family, with some duplicated research:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1302495

safc

safc Report 10 Sep 2020 19:45

nudge

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2020 19:13

The death I posted earlier could be worth checking, although there are two Johanna Mahoneys with same birth year on census in 1881.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Aug 2020 17:44

Eliza Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Eliza Smith
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Wm Geo Smith
Birth Place: St Giles, London, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 255
Folio: 142
Page Number: 65
Household schedule number: 428
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Geo Smith 39
Eliza Smith 39
Wm Smith 15
Lilian Smith 14
Edith Smith 11
Sidney Smith 9
Alfred Smith 7
Fredk Smith 4
Walter Smith 3
Leonard Smith 4/12


Elizabeth Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Giles
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell St James and Clerkenwell St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 164 Northampton Buildings, Clerkenwell E C
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1884
Registration district: Holborn
Registration District Number: 14
Sub-registration district: Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 1239
Household Members:
Name Age
William George Smith 48
Elizabeth Smith 48
William John Smith 25
Sydney Thomas Smith 19
Albert George Smith 17
Frederick Charles Smith 14
Walter Lewis Smith 13
Leonard Arthur Smith 10
Alice May Smith 6

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Aug 2020 17:40


A possible marriage for Elizabeth -

Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
MAHONEY Elizabeth St Giles 1b 879
Smith William George St Giles 1b 879


Elizabeth Smith
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Female
Age: 28
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1863
Spouse: William G Smith
Child: William J Smith
Lilian Smith
Edith Smith
Birth Place: St Giles, London, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Residence Place: Clerkenwell, London, England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: St James Clerkenwell
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 223
Folio: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
William G Smith 29
Elizabeth Smith 28
William J Smith 5
Lilian Smith 4
Edith Smith 2



SMITH, EDITH NORA mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 705

SMITH, LILIAN BLANCHE mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 703

SMITH, WILLIAM JOHN mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 681

Another child ??

SMITH, ALBERT mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 690

Death:
SMITH, ALBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 476

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Aug 2020 17:14

Unfortunately the two marriages suggested by Greyghost don't look correct:

Re the marriage to James Small in 1889:

Johanna Small
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Johanna Small
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Small
Birth Place: Marylebone, London, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors:
Piece: 1222
Folio: 72
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members:
Name Age
James Small 30
Johanna Small 30
Margaret Small 13
Johanna Small 8
Ernest Small 4
Edith Small 1

SMALL, JOHANNA mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 563

SMITH, EDITH NORA mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 705


Re marriage to Michael Sullivan in 1883:

???
Johannah Sullivan
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Johannah Sullivan
Gender: Female
Age: 70
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1821 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Michael Sullivan
Birth Place: Cork, Ireland
Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles in the Fields
Residence Place: St Giles in the Fields, London, England
Registration district: St Giles
Sub registration district: St Giles, South
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 211
Folio: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Sullivan 72
Johannah Sullivan 70

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Aug 2020 16:42

Assuming it's Michael Mahoney and family we're looking for -

???

Ann Mahoney
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Mahoney
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 174

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2020 16:04

Arthur in 1901

Name: Arthur Sullivan
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Savivars, London, England
Civil Parish: Farnborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Farnborough St Giles the Abbot
Town: Farnborough
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Orpington
ED, institution, or vessel: St Joseph and St Anne Orphanage

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Aug 2020 16:04



MAHONEY, ELIZABETH mms MCNEARY
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 395

MAHONEY, AMELIA mms MACKNAREY
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in ST.GILES Volume 01B Page 532

MAHONEY, THOMAS mms MCNARY
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in ST. GILES Volume 01B Page 461

MAHONY, JOHANNAH mms MACANARY
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01B Page 333


MAHONEY, ELLEN mms MCNARY
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 394

MAHONEY, MICHAEL mms MCNARY
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 395


??

MAHONEY, HONORA mms MACKNALLY
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in ST. GILES & ST. GEORGE Volume 01B Page 373


Johanna Mahoney
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Johanna Mahoney
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Micheal Mahoney
Mother's name: Hannah Mahoney
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Giles
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles South
ED, institution, or vessel: St Giles and Bloomsbury United Parish Workhouse
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 169
Folio: 8
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Micheal Mahoney 34
Hannah Mahoney 33
James Mahoney 7
Hanorah Mahoney 3
Ellen Mahoney 1
Micheal Mahoney 1
Johanna Mahoney 5


Johannah Mahony
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Johannah Mahony
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: London Middlesex England
Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 465
Piece: 345
Folio: 41
Page Number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Mahony 40
Hannah Mahony 38
James Mahony 17
Hannah Mahony 15
Johannah Mahony 13
Ellen Mahony 11
Elizabeth Mahony 8
Thomas Mahony 6
Alice Maria Mahony 4
Amelia Mahony 1

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2020 15:49

Name: Johanna Mahoney
Estimated birth year: abt 1856******************************
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 26
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 312

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Aug 2020 15:46

more ??'s
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SULLIVAN, ARTHUR MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 71

SULLIVAN, EDWARD MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 641

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2020 15:33

???

SULLIVAN, EDWARD MALONEY
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 646
SULLIVAN, JAMES MALONEY
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 653
SULLIVAN, MARY ANN MALONEY
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 632

safc

safc Report 31 Aug 2020 15:27

Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
Creese Thomas Whitechapel 1c 843
Krauss Hubertina Henrietta C Whitechapel 1c 843
MAHONEY Johanna Whitechapel 1c 843
SULLIVAN Jeremiah Whitechapel 1c 843

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2020 15:27

From the 1883 record, Dean married English

safc

safc Report 31 Aug 2020 15:24

Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Gilbert Street, St Clement Danes, Strand, London & Middlesex, England


Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Johanna Sullivan Wife Widow Female 35 1856 Laundress London, Middlesex, England
Fredrick Sullivan Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Charles Sullivan Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Ellen Sullivan Daughter - Female 5 1886 - London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Sullivan Son - Male 3 1888 - London, Middlesex, England
Palsey Sullivan Son - Male 1 1890 - London, Middlesex, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2020 15:19

The nephew in 1901

LANDRIGAN, WILLIAM CHARLES CLIFFORD
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1221

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Aug 2020 15:18

What are you asking, Rose?

Which Johanna is the one you're interested in?

Johanna Sullivan (nee Landrigan) , or Johanna Mahoney?

EDIT:
On re-reading the thread, I assume it's Johanna Mahoney ??

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Aug 2020 15:15

2 possible marriages for Johanna between 1881 and 1891 - look for births on the GRO site to find the right combination and then on the following census.

Both are on freebmd

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
DEAN Charles Henry H Holborn 1b 972 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
English Anna Maria Holborn 1b 972 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mahoney Johanna Holborn 1b 972
SULLIVAN Michael Holborn 1b 972

<<<<<<<< births in Holborn for this combination

----------------------
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
Haig Clara Anderson Marylebone 1a 1187
Ketchen William Scott Marylebone 1a 1187
Mahoney Johanna Marylebone 1a 1187 <<<<<<<<<<
SMALL James John Marylebone 1a 1187 <<<<<<<<<<

<<<<<<< and in Marylebone for this