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ErikaH
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11 Sep 2020 10:42 |
If you want to have accurate info on your tree, it is usually necessary to purchase copy certs. If you aren't prepared to do that, you may be left forever guessing
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ArgyllGran
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10 Sep 2020 20:25 |
Rose, on your other thread you said to Erika,
"ErikaH I still do not think that is the Johanna I am looking for as according to the 1881 census she is still living with her parents and siblings 26 Little Wild Street, St Giles."
If you are talking about the 1882 death which Erika suggested, the death is obviously the year after the 1881 census, so not impossible.
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ArgyllGran
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10 Sep 2020 20:16 |
Previous thread about this family, with some duplicated research:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1302495
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10 Sep 2020 19:45 |
nudge
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ErikaH
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31 Aug 2020 19:13 |
The death I posted earlier could be worth checking, although there are two Johanna Mahoneys with same birth year on census in 1881.
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31 Aug 2020 17:44 |
Eliza Smith in the 1901 England Census Name: Eliza Smith Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Wm Geo Smith Birth Place: St Giles, London, England Civil Parish: Clerkenwell Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: Goswell Street ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: Piece: 255 Folio: 142 Page Number: 65 Household schedule number: 428 Household Members: Name Age Wm Geo Smith 39 Eliza Smith 39 Wm Smith 15 Lilian Smith 14 Edith Smith 11 Sidney Smith 9 Alfred Smith 7 Fredk Smith 4 Walter Smith 3 Leonard Smith 4/12
Elizabeth Smith in the 1911 England Census Name: Elizabeth Smith Age in 1911: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: St Giles Civil Parish: Clerkenwell St James and Clerkenwell St John County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 164 Northampton Buildings, Clerkenwell E C Marital status: Married Estimated Marriage Year: 1884 Registration district: Holborn Registration District Number: 14 Sub-registration district: Clerkenwell ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Piece: 1239 Household Members: Name Age William George Smith 48 Elizabeth Smith 48 William John Smith 25 Sydney Thomas Smith 19 Albert George Smith 17 Frederick Charles Smith 14 Walter Lewis Smith 13 Leonard Arthur Smith 10 Alice May Smith 6
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31 Aug 2020 17:40 |
A possible marriage for Elizabeth -
Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%) MAHONEY Elizabeth St Giles 1b 879 Smith William George St Giles 1b 879
Elizabeth Smith in the 1891 England Census Name: Elizabeth Smith Gender: Female Age: 28 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1863 Spouse: William G Smith Child: William J Smith Lilian Smith Edith Smith Birth Place: St Giles, London, England Civil Parish: Clerkenwell Ecclesiastical parish: St James Residence Place: Clerkenwell, London, England Registration district: Holborn Sub registration district: St James Clerkenwell ED, Institution or Vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 223 Folio: 67 Household Members: Name Age William G Smith 29 Elizabeth Smith 28 William J Smith 5 Lilian Smith 4 Edith Smith 2
SMITH, EDITH NORA mms MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 705
SMITH, LILIAN BLANCHE mms MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 703
SMITH, WILLIAM JOHN mms MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 681
Another child ??
SMITH, ALBERT mms MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 690
Death: SMITH, ALBERT 0 GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 476
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ArgyllGran
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31 Aug 2020 17:14 |
Unfortunately the two marriages suggested by Greyghost don't look correct:
Re the marriage to James Small in 1889:
Johanna Small in the 1901 England Census Name: Johanna Small Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: James Small Birth Place: Marylebone, London, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Willesden Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Willesden ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Neighbors: Piece: 1222 Folio: 72 Page Number: 22 Household schedule number: 173 Household Members: Name Age James Small 30 Johanna Small 30 Margaret Small 13 Johanna Small 8 Ernest Small 4 Edith Small 1
SMALL, JOHANNA mms MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 563
SMITH, EDITH NORA mms MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 705
Re marriage to Michael Sullivan in 1883:
??? Johannah Sullivan in the 1891 England Census Name: Johannah Sullivan Gender: Female Age: 70 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1821 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse: Michael Sullivan Birth Place: Cork, Ireland Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles in the Fields Residence Place: St Giles in the Fields, London, England Registration district: St Giles Sub registration district: St Giles, South ED, Institution or Vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 211 Folio: 10 Household Members: Name Age Michael Sullivan 72 Johannah Sullivan 70
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ArgyllGran
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31 Aug 2020 16:42 |
Assuming it's Michael Mahoney and family we're looking for -
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Ann Mahoney in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Ann Mahoney Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Registration Year: 1896 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 69 Registration district: St Olave Southwark Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 174
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ErikaH
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31 Aug 2020 16:04 |
Arthur in 1901
Name: Arthur Sullivan Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Male Birth Place: St Savivars, London, England Civil Parish: Farnborough Ecclesiastical parish: Farnborough St Giles the Abbot Town: Farnborough County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Bromley Sub-registration district: Orpington ED, institution, or vessel: St Joseph and St Anne Orphanage
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ArgyllGran
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31 Aug 2020 16:04 |
MAHONEY, ELIZABETH mms MCNEARY GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 395
MAHONEY, AMELIA mms MACKNAREY GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in ST.GILES Volume 01B Page 532
MAHONEY, THOMAS mms MCNARY GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in ST. GILES Volume 01B Page 461
MAHONY, JOHANNAH mms MACANARY GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01B Page 333
MAHONEY, ELLEN mms MCNARY GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 394
MAHONEY, MICHAEL mms MCNARY GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 395
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MAHONEY, HONORA mms MACKNALLY GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in ST. GILES & ST. GEORGE Volume 01B Page 373
Johanna Mahoney in the 1861 England Census Name: Johanna Mahoney Age: 5 Estimated birth year: 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Micheal Mahoney Mother's name: Hannah Mahoney Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Giles Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: St Giles South ED, institution, or vessel: St Giles and Bloomsbury United Parish Workhouse Neighbors: Household schedule number: 78 Piece: 169 Folio: 8 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Micheal Mahoney 34 Hannah Mahoney 33 James Mahoney 7 Hanorah Mahoney 3 Ellen Mahoney 1 Micheal Mahoney 1 Johanna Mahoney 5
Johannah Mahony in the 1871 England Census Name: Johannah Mahony Age: 13 Estimated birth year: 1858 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: London Middlesex England Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: St Giles, South ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 465 Piece: 345 Folio: 41 Page Number: 75 Household Members: Name Age Michael Mahony 40 Hannah Mahony 38 James Mahony 17 Hannah Mahony 15 Johannah Mahony 13 Ellen Mahony 11 Elizabeth Mahony 8 Thomas Mahony 6 Alice Maria Mahony 4 Amelia Mahony 1
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ErikaH
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31 Aug 2020 15:49 |
Name: Johanna Mahoney Estimated birth year: abt 1856****************************** Registration Year: 1882 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 26 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 312
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31 Aug 2020 15:46 |
more ??'s Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: SULLIVAN, ARTHUR MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 71
SULLIVAN, EDWARD MAHONEY GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 641
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ErikaH
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31 Aug 2020 15:33 |
???
SULLIVAN, EDWARD MALONEY GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 646 SULLIVAN, JAMES MALONEY GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 653 SULLIVAN, MARY ANN MALONEY GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 632
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safc
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31 Aug 2020 15:27 |
Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%) Creese Thomas Whitechapel 1c 843 Krauss Hubertina Henrietta C Whitechapel 1c 843 MAHONEY Johanna Whitechapel 1c 843 SULLIVAN Jeremiah Whitechapel 1c 843
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ErikaH
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31 Aug 2020 15:27 |
From the 1883 record, Dean married English
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safc
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31 Aug 2020 15:24 |
Record Transcription: 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gilbert Street, St Clement Danes, Strand, London & Middlesex, England
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Johanna Sullivan Wife Widow Female 35 1856 Laundress London, Middlesex, England Fredrick Sullivan Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar London, Middlesex, England Charles Sullivan Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England Ellen Sullivan Daughter - Female 5 1886 - London, Middlesex, England Thomas Sullivan Son - Male 3 1888 - London, Middlesex, England Palsey Sullivan Son - Male 1 1890 - London, Middlesex, England
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ErikaH
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31 Aug 2020 15:19 |
The nephew in 1901
LANDRIGAN, WILLIAM CHARLES CLIFFORD GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1221
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ArgyllGran
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31 Aug 2020 15:18 |
What are you asking, Rose?
Which Johanna is the one you're interested in?
Johanna Sullivan (nee Landrigan) , or Johanna Mahoney?
EDIT: On re-reading the thread, I assume it's Johanna Mahoney ??
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greyghost
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31 Aug 2020 15:15 |
2 possible marriages for Johanna between 1881 and 1891 - look for births on the GRO site to find the right combination and then on the following census.
Both are on freebmd
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%) DEAN Charles Henry H Holborn 1b 972 <<<<<<<<<<<<< English Anna Maria Holborn 1b 972 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mahoney Johanna Holborn 1b 972 SULLIVAN Michael Holborn 1b 972
<<<<<<<< births in Holborn for this combination
---------------------- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%) Haig Clara Anderson Marylebone 1a 1187 Ketchen William Scott Marylebone 1a 1187 Mahoney Johanna Marylebone 1a 1187 <<<<<<<<<< SMALL James John Marylebone 1a 1187 <<<<<<<<<<
<<<<<<< and in Marylebone for this
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