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New Brunswick death: Richard John Mutten 1846-68

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 12 May 2012 19:59

Apart from looking for his NAVAL RECORDS on NATIONAL ARCHIVE, no.

http://goo.gl/CRbeK

Glynis

Glynis Report 12 May 2012 13:57

Help please!
I've searched in 'Overseas Deaths' for my gggrandfather's brother, Richard John Mutten, born 1846 in Polperro, died in New Brunswick 1868, but no success.
Any other bright ideas?

mgnv

mgnv Report 11 May 2012 20:50

Did he die at sea or in NB?
In the former case, I wouldn't expect NB to issue a d.cert.
In the latter case, it would fall in NB jurisdiction, but there was no civil registration in NB until 1888.

One normally searches for NB BMDs at
http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/VISSE/?culture=en-CA

There is provision for the late registration of events, and I have seen births rego'ed (even posthumously) 70 y after the event. Well, I can see a child might need that to assist in their own claim for a passport, etc. However, I've never seen a "late" rego of a death - who would need one 20y later?

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 May 2012 19:11

As said before if it might have been registered in St John........

Go back to the New Brunswick Genealogical Society!!!! ;-)

You could make a free search on here, or on FMP amongst the Overseas deaths/military records, then ask for someone to give you the gro reference to order the certificate.

You could also try ordering one with out a reference from gro, but with the transcription errors, you may be wasting your money.

Have you got his records from NA as suggested? What did that say?

Date bases on FindMyPast


British nationals died overseas 1818-2005
British nationals armed forces deaths 1796-2005
British nationals died at sea 1854-1890 <<<< ?????
Maritime deaths 1794-1964 <<<<< ??????

Glynis

Glynis Report 11 May 2012 18:48

Does anyone know how to locate a death certificate when the deceased dies abroad, as in this case, New Brunswick, in 1868.

Help!

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 May 2012 08:51

The New Brunswick Genealogical Society are probably the best people to tell you where/if a death record is to be found. Lets hope that one of their members can point you in the right direction.

So he was in the Royal Navy? There might be the ship's log book or other records at Kew. Have you looked for his service records at the National Archive on line? If there is, it may only say 'died', but then again, there may be more details.

mgnv

mgnv Report 11 May 2012 07:22

Glynis - You've misidentified the cemetery - it should be
The Church of England Cemetery, Thorne Avenue, Saint John NB
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NewBrunswick/2001-04/0988199717

Glynis

Glynis Report 10 May 2012 22:57

Richard Mutten. Born Polperro 1846.

The New Brunswick Genealogical Society traced his burial record, which says: " Buried in New Brunswick, St John's Church of England cemetery, Thorne Avenue, New Brunswick."
Because of the unusual surname, Richard's burial record says 'Muttin'.(mariner) - buried 15th September 1868, on the ship DOURIS.
It seems to be a regular problem of transcription, so searching is quite difficult, and one has to be quite creative.
I can't find any trace of a death certificate, although having contacted (at a member's suggestion) the National Genealogical Society of New Brunswick, and they found the burial record.
Leaving home in Cornwall at 16, and the mystery of dying in New Brunswick 7 years later, it's a very short life. He doesn't appear on any census that I can find, because he was onboard various ships, first HMS Liffey, and then Douris.
I'd love to be able to find out more information, but am stuck on where to go next.
I'm very new at this, and would welcome any help.
Many thanks,
Glynis

Glynis

Glynis Report 10 May 2012 22:42

As you can see, they've sent me details of the burial record, but I'd love to be able to locate the death certificate, and perhaps fill in the gaps about his last few years. Leaving home in Cornwall at 16, and the mystery of dying in New Brunswick 7 years later, it's a very short life. He doesn't appear on any census that I can find, because he was onboard various ships, first HMS Liffey, and then Douris.
Where do I go now?

Glynis

Glynis Report 10 May 2012 19:26

Thank you Ann.
I did get a reply from the New Brunswick Genealogical Society this week. They have found Richard's burial record, with his surname as Muttin.
Richard Mutten. Born Polperro 1846.
Went to sea aged 16, died in September 1868, aged 23. Buried in New Brunswick, St John's Church of England cemetery, Thorne Avenue, New Brunswick.
Because of the unusual surname, Richard's burial record says 'Muttin'.(mariner) - buried 15th September 1868, while serving on the ship DOURIS.
It seems to be a regular problem of transcription, so searching is quite difficult, and one has to be quite creative.
I'd love to be able to find out more information, but am stuck on where to go next. Where do I find his death certificate?
I'm very new at this, and would welcome any help.
The New Brunswick Genealogical Society very kindly said they'd put out my query in their newsletter, so that could lead to more information, hopefully.
Thanks for your help.
Any more pointers would be so useful.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 3 Apr 2012 20:11

Find A Grave - New Brunswick
... represented Westmoreland in the New Brunswick House ... of Saint John and he designed Saint John's ... Norway Bay Anglican Cemetery, Bristol, New Brunswick, Canada
www.findagrave.com/php/?famous.php?page=state&FSstateid=826 - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 3 Apr 2012 20:05

New Brunswick Genealogy Records Online
Grand Manan Island, New Brunswick, Cemetery Records St. George, Charlotte County, New Brunswick Church & Cemetery Records Campobello, Charlotte County, New Brunswick ...
www.genealogysearch.org/canada/?newbrunswick.html - Cached

Glynis

Glynis Report 3 Apr 2012 19:47

I've just sent off an email to them, and let's hope they're able to help.
Thank you again Ann.

Glynis

Glynis

Glynis Report 3 Apr 2012 19:28

Ah, I'll have a look at the New Brunswick Genealogical Society. Brilliant, Ann. Thank you so much. Can't believe I hadn't worked that out. Many thanks.

Glynis

Glynis Report 3 Apr 2012 19:17

I have googled but not got very far. Still surfing around the New Brunswick cemeteries. This recent one of yours looks promising. You're really fast!

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 3 Apr 2012 19:15

there's a New Brunswick Genealogical society

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 3 Apr 2012 19:13

St. John's Anglican Church Cemetery, Highfield, Johnston ...
Photographic Album of Gravemarkers of cemeteries in Queens County, New Brunswick, Canada
www.gravemarkers.ca/brunswic/queens/?johnston/highfiel/st... - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 3 Apr 2012 19:12

New Brunswick Cemetery Records
Oromocto - Pioneer Cemetery [New Brunswick - Sunbury County GenWeb] Oromocto - St. John's Anglican [New Brunswick - Sunbury County GenWeb]
www.afhs.ab.ca/registry/regnb_?cemetery.html - Cached

St. John's Anglican Church Cemetery, Highfield, Johnston ...
Photographic Album of Gravemarkers in Queens County, New Brunswick, Canada
www.gravemarkers.ca/brunswic/queens/?johnston/highfiel/st... - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 3 Apr 2012 19:10

have you tried googling to find out? worth a shot

Glynis

Glynis Report 3 Apr 2012 18:40

That's definitely them. But no trace of Richard, since he left home at 16, and therefore no further evidence on any census. All I know from the Cornwall Records Office is a reference to him by his sister Elizabeth, dedicating a book of his writings, and saying that he traveled to New Brunswick, died in 1868, and is buried in St.John's Cemetery. I'm wondering if St.John's cemetery in New Brunswick has records, and how to access them.