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On Ancestry when you view the marriage it is in original hand.
It is deffinately under L for Mary Liddell
V20 P451 manchester O/N/D 1848

Maryb.

Thank you

Think I'm at the stage now where I'll have to do some checking with certificates especially with this one

I did try and go to the images on familysearch but I couldn't sort it out (think it's an age thing) tried logging in but nothing

Out for the day now

slightly different version on lancs bmd (same in freebmd)

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HALL George LIDDELL Mary Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Manchester CATH/66/141

Thats Possibly the right one !!

I did see a marriage for a George and May Siddell 22/10/1848 ??

this 1881?

Mary HALL Head W Female 55 Salford, Lancashire, England
H.E. HALL Daur U Female 29 Irlam, Lancashire, England Velvet Divider
Alice HALL Daur U Female 19 Germany Cotton Reeler
Elizth. HALL Daur Female 15 Manchr, Lancashire, England Cotton Spinner

Source Information:
Dwelling 256 Worsley Rd
Census Place Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341928
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3884 / 20
Page Number 33

this is the only Harriet Ellen Hall birth reg

Births Jun 1851 (>99%)
Hall Harriet Ellen Barton 20 148

Barton covers Irlam

she got married in 1882 so I think she means when she married she was widowed on 1901 census

This 1911?

CRAWFORD, Harriet Ellen Head Widow F 59 1852 Lancs Chatt Moss Irlam
CRAWFORD, Sarah Jane Daughter Single F 24 1887 Hand Winder Cotton Mill Lancs Patricroft Winton
CRAWFORD, Mabel Brighouse Daughter Single F 22 1889 Weaver Linen Mill Lancs Patricroft Winton
CRAWFORD, Irene Brighouse Daughter Single F 20 1891 Turner Piecer Cotton Mill Lancs Patricroft Winton

Registration District: Prestwich
Sub District: Newton Heath
Enumeration District: 25
Parish: North Manchester

Address: 127 Albert Street Droylsden Road Newton Heath M/ch County: Lancashire

The birthplaces on original are as transcribed.

Harriet had 6 children, 2 of them had died. Although widowed she said married 28 years - don't know if that was up until widowed or to time of census.

Found them 1871

George 43 M/c
Mary 44 Pendleton
Harriet 19 Irlam
William H 16 M/c
Alice 10 Germany
Elizabeth 5 M/c

1851
George 23 Fusion cutter
Mary 25

Got it all wrong !!! I think

1911 census Harriet ellen was born Islam ??? Irlam

Family search H E Hall 1852 Irlam mother Mary Hall

not been able to get into the image !!!

but it does seem to fit

oK i'LL GIVE HIM A GO

Thank you once again

maybe Derek's Derbyshire thread would be useful here to see if Ann's father is the same as the Hopkins marriage

to get the images use

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image

and work through down to

England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910

Bakewell is derbyshire

I found a baptism of a Sarah Helen Hall, daughter of Jasper & Ann at St George's Manchester on 19th November 1849. This is the image

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12424-40709-54?cc=1788853&wc=10932855

same occupation for Jasper BUT it says Jasper deceased! so ?????

How do you get the images I go on familysearch .org ??

Thank you

That could fit in with things, the ages of Harriet and are a little out but when are they right

Where did you get that !! Just noticed Bakewell that would be Cheshire I went on Lancashire

possible???

Marriages Mar 1844 (>99%)
>>>BLAGDEN Ann Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view
BOTHAM Ann Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view
>>>HALL Jasper Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view
HORSFALL Elizabeth Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view
HOWARD Robert Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view
KIRKHAM Richard Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view
OLDFIELD Ellen Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view
TITTERTON John Bakewell 19 293 Scan available - click to view

Ann was definitely a widow on that marriage . this link will give you the parish register image

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12408-9595-4?cc=1788853&wc=10932829

Ann age 23, father John Blagden occ tailor

Trying to find the parents of Harriet ellen Hall who married Frederick Charles Crawford 1882

found in 1851 ??

William Hopkin 31
Ann Hopkin w 24
other Hopkin children then
Samuel Hall 3 stepson
hariett Hall 1 stepdaughter

Found a marriage for William Hopkin 1849 Lancashire BMD

William Hopkin
Ann Hall *
William Hopkin
Ann Blagden

which leads me to think this is the right family?
but I can't find a marriage between Hall & Blagden??

was hoping this would give me Harriets Father

Thank you

I'll have to try that