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To safc, thank you for sending that over - ties in doesn;t it?

To Liz, it certainly could be, which theoreticaly takes us back to 1784... wow! I will get on with it - I'm so chuffed.. will message you when I get the certs.

Big smile from me

You're very welcome. You have been very lucky getting back so far. I have no proof, but I wonder if this is Reuben's mother's death.

pouse: Elizabeth Poller

name: Elizabeth Poller
gender: Female
burial date: 21 Feb 1837
burial place: St Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
age: 53
birth date: 1784
marital status: Married
spouse's name: Cristopher Poller
indexing project (batch) number: B03592-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 918912


Do let me know what the certificates say when they arrive please. I would be very interested.

Liz

Groom's Name: Christopher Frederick Poller
Groom's Birth Date: 1844
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Ann Spencer
Bride's Birth Date: 1847
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 18
Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1865
Marriage Place: St. Andrew, Bordesley, Warwick, England
Groom's Father's Name: Reubin Poller
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: James Spencer
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00729-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545606
Reference Number: it 99, p 50, no 1

I will send for certificates, thank you and I will let you know.... so good!

Gaah, you are so clever! it all fits. That is way too much of a coincidence not to be right, same year of birth and occupation. I would never have thought it would be mis-transcribed, and although I found the records in the different area, I couldn't connect them.

I think you have solved the problem I was having initially and I'm sure this is the right line, which also means that this is as far back as I can go along this line, mind you 188 years back is not bad at all is it?

I will put it all together and start looking at the females now to complete the picture.


Thank you
:-D

Possible birth for son in 1911 census.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Charles Henry Taylor
Name: Charles Henry Taylor
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1901
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 390


and possible for daughter.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Florence Elizabeth Taylor
Name: Florence Elizabeth Taylor
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1908
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 309


You would need to send for certificates to be sure of these.

Really think this is a mistranscribed 1861 for Reuben.

FOLLOWS, Rheuben Head Married M 38 1823 Brass Turner
Birmingham VIEW
FOLLOWS, Anne Wife Married F 40 1821
Birmingham VIEW
FOLLOWS, Frederick Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Factory Boy
Birmingham VIEW
FOLLOWS, Elener Daughter F 3 1858
Birmingham VIEW
Piece:
2145 Folio:
92 Page:
7 Registration District:
Birmingham

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
6, Court 7, Oxford Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire


and 1871. Living next to Frederick above. Remember Reuben's second wife was Mary Ann.

POTTER, Rueben Head M 47 1824 brass finisher, Birmingham Warwickshire
POTTER, M A Wife F 47 1824 Worcestershire
POTTER, E P Daughter F 13 1858 Warwickshire
Piece:
1417 Folio:
54 Page:
74 Registration District:
Newport Pagnell

Civil Parish:
Bradwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
Top Street, Bradwell County:
Buckinghamshire


Daughter Eleanor.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Eleanor Phoebe Poller
Name: Eleanor Phoebe Poller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1857
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 115

Now I see why you were looking for Reuben Poller. He appears to be Christopher Frederick's father.

Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
Haycock Henry Aston 6d 388 Scan available - click to view
Lees Elizabeth Aston 6d 388 Scan available - click to view
>>Poller Christopher Frederick Aston 6d 388 Scan available - click to view
>>Spencer Ann Aston 6d 388

Wow, the last posting regarding Lilian and Dorothy has got to be spot on; I couldn't find that information. These three are the only ones I know about and I will ask mum to get in touch with Edna to see if there was another birth.

I will check if I have found the marriage record for Esther and Charles Taylor - I'm sure I have. When I told mum she said she thought her grandad's name was William.

Regarding the Poller's you have found, I've found those ones too and when I print it all out will try and see which ones are which. The printout of the census record showing Esther and Charles Taylor, with children Charles and Florence was the first evidence I found linking Esther Taylor with Annie Poller, however, who Charles and Florence are I don't know and I'm going to try and find out.

Thank you for all you are doing to help - I feel excitement creeping in...

I will get back to you.

Gail

Name: Lilian M Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Poller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 847


Name: Dorothy B Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Poller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1922
Registration district: Kidderminster
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 6c
Page Number: 121


The 2 ladies who have died.
There is, besides Edna's birth, another birth that seems to be in this family.

1901 for Esther.

POLLER, Frederick Head Married M 56 1845 Brass Caster
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Annie Wife Married F 55 1846
Cannot Make on Eng Co Not Std VIEW
POLLER, Esther Daughter Single F 20 1881 Polisher
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, George Son Single M 13 1888
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Florrie Daughter Single F 10 1891
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Charley Grand Son Single M 0 (4 MOS) 1901
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
Piece:
2867 Folio:
182 Page:
43 Registration District:
Aston

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, Northumberland Street Mount Pleasant, Aston County:
Warwickshire



1891


POLLER, Fredk Head Married M 47 1844 General Labourer
Leicestershire (actually reads Lester)
POLLER, Annie Wife Married F 47 1844
Wolferton
Northamptonshire (actually reads ??plon Wolverton)
POLLER, Alfred Son Single M 17 1874 Tube Turner
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Christopher Son M 17 1874 Wood Turner
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Lizzie Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Esther Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Phoebe Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, George Son M 3 1888
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
Piece:
2417 Folio:
11 Page:
15 Registration District:
Aston

Civil Parish:
Nechells Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
205, Francis Street, Nechells, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire


1881


POLLER, Christopher F Head Married M 37 1844 Brass Founder
B Ham
Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Ann Wife Married F 36 1845
Loughboro
Leicestershire VIEW
POLLER, Harry Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Wolverton
Buckinghamshire VIEW
POLLER, Alice L Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Wolverton
Buckinghamshire VIEW
POLLER, Alfred Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Wolverton
Buckinghamshire VIEW
POLLER, Christopher Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Wolverton
Buckinghamshire VIEW
POLLER, Lizzie Daughter Single F 3 1878
Wolverton
Warwickshire VIEW
Piece:
3031 Folio:
100 Page:
28 Registration District:
Aston

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Address:
220, Heneage St, Aston County:
Warwickshire


1871. Mistranscribed as Potter.


379 POTTER, Frederick Head M 27 1844 Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW brass moulder
379 POTTER, A Wife F 25 1846 Luffbury Leicestershire VIEW
379 POTTER, R C Son M 5 1866 Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW
379 POTTER, M Daughter F 3 1868 Birmingham Warwickshire VIEW
379 POTTER, H T Son M 1 1870 New Bradwell Buckinghamshire VIEW
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1417 Folio:
54 Page:
74

Sub District:
Fenny Stratford Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Municipal Borough:
Address:
Top Street, Bradwell County:
Buckinghamshire

Their marriage.

Joseph Fountain Apr-May-Jun 1901 Birmingham Warwickshire
>>View Record Esther Poller Apr-May-Jun 1901 Birmingham Warwickshire
View Record Harriet Swadkins Apr-May-Jun 1901 Birmingham Warwickshire
>>View Record Charles Taylor Apr-May-Jun 1901 Birmingham Warwickshire

Hi Gail, this is the 1911 for an Esther Taylor. Is this your Esther? As you can see there is an Annie Poller mentioned.
Do you have a marriage certificate for Esther and Charles/ William? Was he perhaps known by both names?


TAYLOR, Charles Head Marrid M 30 1881 Labourer Warwickshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Esther Wife Married
10 years F 30 1881 Warwickshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Charles Henry Son M 10 1901 Warwickshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Florence Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1909 Warwickshire VIEW
POLLER, Annie Widow F 66 1845 Nottingham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18243 Reference:
RG14PN18243 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED13 SN28

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Duddeston Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Aston

Address:
141 Great Francs St Birmingham County:
Warwickshire


NB If you need more help on this thread, you will need to untick the marked as answered box as others will think you have found what you were looking for.

Esther Poller married either a Charles or William Taylor and had three daughters, one my nan Lilian May Taylor (now dead), Dorothy Taylor (died last year) and Edna who is still alive. Esther died in 1969 and I found a death record matching that. The death record said she was born 4 November 1882 although I have learnt through this that no dates are accurate, as my nan's death record stated her date of birth as the wrong one - that I think was down to my aunty who registered the death and probably put the wrong date on. She died in Staffordshire although the village she lived in Kinver usually hold the records at Bilston, however, I cannot find Bilston listed in any record, so the record I hold for her is registered in Dudley, which is just down the road from Kinver so it may well be the right one.

What I am finding really difficult is finding so many records of people living and dying in the same area around the same time with the same names. My favourites collection is really big. What I'm going to do next weekend is get a big A3 piece of paper and physically draw the tree and print out all the records I have found which I think might be that person. If I can see it all in front of me instead of spending hours re-looking at this and that on the computer, I might be able to make head or tail of it, or at least see some sense to what I'm looking at.

None of my family can give me any details which is wholly frustrating. I can't even trace my grandfather, other than his death record, so I'm coming to a full stop on that too.

My starting point was that I know how old I was when grandad died, my nan and my great grandmother, Esther, and where they died - not much to go on eh? :-S

Gail, is your Esther the one born in 1812, daughter of Christopher and Elizabeth, that Catherine has found above?
If not, could you tell us a bit more about her please?

Got a pm from Gail.

You've hit where I'm stuck exactly! Those are the two which are getting me confused. What I think I know is that Reuben and Mary had a son Christopher Frederick and then I keep getting lost. My great grandmother was Esther Poller, born in Warwickshire, later married and became Taylor. My main problem is I have absolutely no definate records other than a death record of Esther, so I have been trying to trace that line back for ages. I have loads saved to favourites and I'm getting in a spin.

Thank you for your help!

Maybe she has gone out for the day Derek ? Somepeople do that :-)

Gail

As others have so rightly said, there wasn't such a document as a birth certificate until the introduction of Civil Registration in July 1837.

Also, as there weren't any penalties for not registering until 1875, a lot of births went unrecorded between 1837 and that year.

Many people felt that baptism was more important, and simply ignored the concept of civil registration.

Could this be the death of the 1st Mary?

Deaths Mar 1852
Poller Mary Aston 6d 163

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