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12 Jun 2012 20:16 |
Thanks for looking K . It was a long shot that we might find info on Army records
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12 Jun 2012 19:53 |
I can't see a service record for Herbert Clifford on Ancestry. Could be his death?
Name: Herbert Clifford Birth Date: abt 1878 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943 Age at Death: 65 Registration district: Nuneaton Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 853
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12 Jun 2012 17:53 |
just for info 1881 is this the same Stephen family
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2808 Folio: 59 Page: 23 Reg. District: Wolverhampton Sub District: Willenhall Parish: Willenhall Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 1, Court 3 Rose Hill, Willenhall County: Staffordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born MANTEL, Stephen Head Married M 34 1847 Wagoner Fluo?ance, Wales MANTEL, Mary Ann Wife Married F 25 1856 Seamstress Bilston, Staffordshire MANTEL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Willenhall, Staffordshire MANTEL, Edward Son Single M 2 1879 Willenhall, Staffordshire MANTEL, Mary Daughter Single F 0 1881 Willenhall, Staffordshire
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12 Jun 2012 17:36 |
could this be Mary's
Name: CLIFFORD, Mary Registration district: Coventry County: Warwickshire Year of registration: 1962 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 81 Volume no: 9C Page no: 705
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jansmith
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12 Jun 2012 16:24 |
Have not got sub. for Ancestry but has anyone looked for Herbert in ww1 records? IF he is there then family details may be on there. do you have death info for them?
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12 Jun 2012 14:56 |
Hi jansmith
Thank you....I have just now been following the same track as you and yes, I believe Agnes is the daughter of Mary, Herbert's sister.
K :-)
Misty x
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12 Jun 2012 14:24 |
1881 for info Herbert and Mary Clifford ? G number: RG11 Piece: 2818 Folio: 49 Page: 6 Reg. District: Walsall Sub District: Darlaston Parish: Darlaston Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 3, Court New Road, Darlaston County: Staffordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born CLIFFORD, James Head Married M 29 1852 House Spouting Hayes Hill, Staffordshire CLIFFORD, Fanny Wife Married F 27 1854 Darlaston, Staffordshire CLIFFORD, Mary Daughter Single F 8 1873 Darlaston, Staffordshire CLIFFORD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 5 1876 Darlaston, Staffordshire CLIFFORD, Herbert Son Single M 2 1879 Darlaston, Staffordshire
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jansmith
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12 Jun 2012 14:17 |
Agnes looks like the daughter of Arthur/Mary Price 1911
Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Didsbury Parish: South Manchester Enum. District: 13 Address: 33 S Clements Road Chorlton C Hardy Manchester County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born PRICE, Arthur Head Married 14 years M 34 1877 Joiner Stafford Sh Patshull PRICE, Mary Elizabeth Wife Married F 37 1874 Stafford Sh Darlaston PRICE, Agnes Daughter Single F 13 1898 Chorlton cum Hardy PRICE, Mable Daughter Single F 12 1899 Chorlton cum Hardy PRICE, William Son Single M 4 1907 Chorlton cum Hardy
so looks like a Clifford connection marriage Name: PRICE, Arthur Registration district: Altrincham County: Cheshire Year of registration: 1897 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 8A Page no: 217 MarriageFinder: Arthur Price married one of the following people:
ALDCROFT, Ann CLIFFORD, Mary******* BROWN, George
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12 Jun 2012 12:30 |
Hi Misty
Don't worry and glad it's of use
Kx
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Mistycat
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12 Jun 2012 12:25 |
Hello K
Huge apologies for the very long (unavoidable) delay in my reply, I am hoping to restart my search over the next week or so....
Thank you for all the Mantle info from the 1911 census, I'm sure they must be Mary's family, I shall follow it up asap....
Thank you again K
Misty x
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23 Apr 2012 18:27 |
Eliza married in 1908
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KNOWLES, Joseph Head Married 2 years M 22 1889 Curry Comb Maker Staff Willenhall VIEW KNOWLES, Eliza Wife Married 2 years F 22 1889 Dressmaker Staff Willenhall VIEW KNOWLES, Voyley (Violet) Daughter F 1 1910 Staff Willenhall VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 17106 Reference: RG14PN17106 RG78PN1053 RD369 SD6 ED24 SN203 Registration District: Wolverhampton Sub District: Willenhall Enumeration District: 24 Parish: Willenhall Address: 8 Lower Hall St Willenhall County: Staffordshire
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23 Apr 2012 18:13 |
The other son John Thomas in 1911
BILLS, Jesse Head M 38 1873 Brass Cabinet Locksmith Wolverhampton VIEW BILLS, Alice Maude Wife Married 8 years F 34 1877 Wolverhampton VIEW BILLS, Frank Son M 7 1904 Wolverhampton VIEW BILLS, Denis Son M 4 1907 Bradmore Staff VIEW MANTLE, Thomas Boarder Single M 27 1884 Brass Cabinet Locksmith Tettenhall Staff VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 17029 Reference: RG14PN17029 RG78PN1051 RD369 SD4 ED20 SN231 Registration District: Wolverhampton Sub District: Wolverhampton Western Enumeration District: 20 Parish: Wolverhampton Address: 34 Oak Street Wolverhampton County: Staffordshire
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23 Apr 2012 17:22 |
1911 - Son Stephen
MANTLE, Stephen Single ? 25 1886 Soldier Infantry Willenhall Staffs VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 16889 Reference: RG14PN16889 RD367 SD1 ED32 SN9999 Registration District: Lichfield Sub District: Lichfield Enumeration District: 32 Parish: Whittington Address: Whittington Lichfield County: Staffordshire
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23 Apr 2012 16:57 |
This looks like the same family in 1911
MANTLE, Stephen Head Married M 60 1851 Night Soil Carter Wales MANTLE, Mary Ann Wife Married 36 years F 55 1856 Bilston Stafford MANTLE, Walter Son Single M 20 1891 Iron Caster Willenhall Stafford MANTLE, Clara Daughter F 12 1899 School Willenhall Stafford TUDOR, Thomas Boarder Single M 25 1886 Railway Labourer Stafford RG number: RG14 Piece: 17106 Reference: RG14PN17106 RG78PN1053 RD369 SD6 ED24 SN209 Registration District: Wolverhampton Sub District: Willenhall Enumeration District: 24 Parish: Willenhall Address: 14 Lower Hall St Willenhall County: Staffordshire
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Mistycat
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23 Apr 2012 11:27 |
This is the same family K gave in 1891, who, I think could be my Mary Mantle's family..
Please can anyone find them in 1911?
Mary is in Manchester in 1901, married to Herbert.
Mary and Herbert had 5 children...2 being Stephen 1910 and Clara 1913 which tie in (only by name) to the Mantle family below...
1901 England Name: Stephen Mantle Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Marian Mantle ( Mary Ann not Marian ) Gender: Male Where born: North Wales Civil parish: Willenhall Ecclesiastical parish: Willenhall St Giles Town: Willenhall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Willenhall Name Age Stephen Mantle 54 Marian Mantle 45 Stephen Mantle 18 John T Mantle 16 Eliza Mantle 12 Walter Mantle 10 Cloyce Mantle 2 ( Clara not Cloyce )
Still no marriage for Mary and Herbert
Misty x
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Mistycat
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12 Apr 2012 00:33 |
I still cannot find the marriage for Herbert and Mary..
Please can anyone tell me if there is any reason (other than non marriage) why it would not show on records?
Kath...have followed the Mary you found....she married another chap, had contact with her family on here...not my lady but thank you for info...
Misty x
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Mistycat
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24 Mar 2012 14:05 |
Thank you Kay...
I didnt have that one at all...I think your right about the tie in with the child (sorry I didnt see your post saying that earlier) never the less, still reluctant to go without proof
Misty x
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24 Mar 2012 14:01 |
Have just found another Mary Mantle birth in Wolverhampton:-
Name: MANTLE, Mary Registration district: Wolverhampton County: Staffordshire Year of registration: 1881 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 6B Page no:606
This one is a year after the other Wolverhampton birth.
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24 Mar 2012 13:55 |
This is the census I posted re Mary born in Willenhall in 1891 with father Stephen. I can't see it on FMP either. I still like the tie in of Mary and Herberts son in 1911 with the father here.
Kayx
Name: Mary Mantle Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Stephen Mantle Mother's Name: Mary A Mantle Gender: Female Where born: Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Willenhall Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles Town: Willenhall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Willenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2237 Folio: 49 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Stephen Mantle 43 Mary A Mantle 34 Elizabeth Mantle 15 Edward Mantle 12 Mary Mantle 10 Stephen Mantle 8 John T Mantle 6 Eliza Mantle 2 Walter Mantle 1/12 Thomas Peart 69
Edit I think this is the FMP version
MANDE, Stephen Head Married M 43 1848 Night Soil Labourer Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, Mary A Wife Married F 34 1857 Bilston Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1876 Lock Maker Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, Edward Son M 12 1879 Scholar Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, Mary Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, Stephen Son M 8 1883 Scholar Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, John T Son M 6 1885 Scholar Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, Eliza Daughter F 2 1889 Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW MANDE, Walter Son M 0 (1M) 1891 Willenhall Staffordshire VIEW PEART, Thomas Lodger Widower M 69 1822 Brush Maker Kirmington Lincolnshire VIEW Piece: 2237 Folio: 49 Page: 12 Registration District: Wolverhampton Civil Parish: Willenhall Municipal Borough: Address: 4, Bow Street, Willenhall County: Staffordshire
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24 Mar 2012 13:55 |
I deleted my last post to Kath....it was all RUBBISH...sorry
Misty x
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