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24 Mar 2012 02:58 |
Hi This family seemed to move about a lot, in the 1881 census they are in Heathfield Bromfield, Cumberland with 3 children Mary b 1863, Robert b 1866 and James b 1871 in Sunderland ( my line ) I don't seem to be able get any further back. From what I can gather William & Sarah married in 1851 in Cockermouth Cumberland I presume there where more children before Mary in 1863. Can anyone help please ?
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24 Mar 2012 03:51 |
1881 England Census about William Sharp Name: William Sharp Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Sharp Gender: Male Where born: Wigton, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Bromfield County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Heathfield Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Ag Registration district: Wigton Sub-registration district: Abbey Holme ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5167 Folio: 27 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age William Sharp 46 Sarah Sharp 48 Mary Sharp 18 Robert Sharp 15 James Sharp 10
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24 Mar 2012 03:54 |
1861 census??
WILLIAMSON, Thomas Head Married M 65 1796 ...Keeper Scotland VIEW WILLIAMSON, Ruth Wife Married F 50 1811 Workington Cumberland VIEW SHARP, William Son In Law Married M 29 1832 Ship Carpenter Workington Cumberland VIEW SHARP, Sarah Daughter Married F 28 1833 Servant Workington Cumberland VIEW
Piece: 3939 Folio: 83 Page: 16 Registration District: Cockermouth Civil Parish: Workington Municipal Borough: Address: Stanley Street, Workington County: Cumberland
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24 Mar 2012 04:10 |
Have you confirmed that they are your ancestors -
Do you have William and Sarah's marriage certificate?
Do you have the birth certificate of James (your line)?
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patchem
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24 Mar 2012 06:57 |
Free bmd does not have a marriage for William Sharp in Cockermouth in 1851.
How do you know that either of them had not been married before?
Will keep on looking.
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24 Mar 2012 07:07 |
This could be William in 1841, if the 1881 birthplace is correct: 1841 England Census William Sharp Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Cumberland, England Civil parish: Wigton Hundred: Cumberland County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Wigton Sub-registration district: Wigton Piece: 166 Book: 11 Folio: 5 Page Number: 4 Robert Sharp 40 ag lab all born local Isabella Sharp 30 Margaret Sharp 8 Mary Sharp 6 William Sharp 4 William Armstrong 3 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 166; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Wigton; County: Cumberland; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 5; Page: 4; Line: 25; GSU roll: 241280.
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24 Mar 2012 07:16 |
? Holme Cultram is about 6 miles from Wigton. 1851 England Census William Sharp Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Servant Gender: M (Male) Where born: Holme Cultram, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Holme East Waver County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Occupation: farm servant Registration district: Wigton Sub-registration district: Wigton ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Household schedule number: 4 Piece: 2432 Folio: 376 Page Number: 2 Edward Railton 60 Thomas Harrison 33 John Harrison 32 Isaac Harrison 27 Jonathan Harrison 24 Mary Moffat 34 William Sharp 14 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2432; Folio: 376; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87112.
This makes him too young to marry - is the age in 1881 wrong, and do you have evidence for that? Thanks
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24 Mar 2012 07:32 |
This looks like the William I found in 1851, still unmarried in 1861 - so discount? 1861 England Census William Skarp Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Holme Cultram, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Waverton County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Occupation: carter Registration district: Wigton Sub-registration district: Wigton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 11 Piece: 3926 Folio: 53 Page Number: 3 Robert Storey 31 farmer Ann Storey 30 Thomas Storey 4 Richd Rigg Storey 2 Sarah Ann Storey 8 Months Mary Dixon 22 Paul Ruddick 28 William Skarp 24 Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3926; Folio: 53; Page: 3; GSU roll: 543207.
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24 Mar 2012 07:43 |
Could you say who James (1871) married, and children, or post the censuses for him? Thanks.
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24 Mar 2012 07:55 |
Is this William and Sarah with some children from 1881 census in 1891? 1891 England Census William Sharpe Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Sharpe Gender: Male Where born: Cumberland, England Civil parish: Orton Ecclesiastical parish: Orton County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Occupation: farm labourer Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Dalston ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 4294 Folio: 9 Page Number: 11 William Sharpe 54 Sarah Sharpe 53 Mary Sharpe 27 Robert Sharpe 24 David Sharpe 6 son could be Kendle for surname also Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4294; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 6099404.
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24 Mar 2012 14:35 |
Arthur
Could you please reply on the thread by adding to the bottom of all the posts.
Yes I know you had the record I gave...I added it to help us find him, as other details help like place of birth plus the dob you gave as 1832 is a bit different to the 1835 and 1837 that has been found for William.
Where did you find him born 1832?
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24 Mar 2012 15:42 |
Is this your James (b 1871 Sunderland) 1911 census transcription details for: 122 Pine Street Gateshead
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN30412 RG78PN1748A RD557 SD2 ED2 SN438 Reg. District: Gateshead Sub District: Gateshead Parish: Gateshead Enum. District: 2 Address: 122 Pine Street Gateshead County: Durham
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age BirthYear Occupation Where Born SHARP, James Head Married13 years M 40 1871 Coal Miner Sunderland Durham SHARP, Annie Wife Married F 38 1873 House Duties Upperby Carlisle Westmorland SHARP, Sarah Jane Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Carlisle Cumberland SHARP, William Son M 12 1899 School Ridsdale Cumberland SHARP, Annie Mary Daughter F 11 1900 School Ridsdale SHARP, Isabel Daughter F 10 1901 School Benwell Northumberland SHARP, Alice May Daughter F 4 1907 Carlisle Cumberland
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24 Mar 2012 15:43 |
And would this be his marriage? Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: SHARP, James Registration district: Bootle (Cumberland) County: Cumberland Year of registration: 1898 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 10B Page no: 1219 MarriageFinder: James Sharp married one of the following people:
DOYLE, Annie FLYNN, Agnes MCGARRY, William
EDIT - perhaps not, see below, found a better candidate given eldest childs birthplace
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24 Mar 2012 15:47 |
Same family 1901 1901 census transcription details for: 47, Beech Street, Benwell
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4776 Folio: 139 Page: 54
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Westgate Parish: Benwell Enum. District: 66 Ecclesiastical District: St James City/Municipal Borough: Address: 47, Beech Street, Benwell County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born SHARP, James Head Married M 30 1871 Quarryman (Freestone)Sunderland Northumberland SHARP, Annie Wife Married F 28 1873 Upperby Cumberland SHARP, Sarah J Daughter F 3 1898 Carlisle Cumberland SHARP, William Son M 2 1899 Ridsdale Northumberland SHARP, Annie M Daughter F 1 1900 Ridsdale Northumberland SHARP, Isbella Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1901 Benwell Northumberland
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24 Mar 2012 15:55 |
Civil Registration event: Marriage Print Close Name: SHARP, James Registration district: Carlisle County: Cumberland Year of registration: 1897 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 10B Page no: 979 MarriageFinder: James Sharp married one of the following people:
HUDSON, Ann JOHNSON, Elizabeth RAFFLES, Herbert Henry
Herbert and Elizabeth are on 1901 census together in Carlisle
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greyghost
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24 Mar 2012 15:59 |
?? JAmes 1891 1891 census transcription details for: Torpenhow, Torpenhow Whitrigg, Torpenhow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 4298 Folio: 6 Page: 6 Reg. District: Wigton Sub District: Abbey Holme Parish: Torpenhow Whitrigg Enum. District: 6 Ecclesiastical District: St Michaels City/Municipal Borough: Address: Torpenhow, Torpenhow Whitrigg, Torpenhow County: Cumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation , Disability Where Born FERGUSON, Edward Head Single M 29 1862 Farmer Torpenhow Cumberland FERGUSON, Agnes Sister Single F 32 1859 Torpenhow Cumberland FERGUSON, John Brother Single M 26 1865 Sorter Post Office Torpenhow Cumberland SHARP, James Servant Single M 20 1871 Farm Servant Sunderland Durham ARMSTRONG, William Servant Single M 16 1875 Farm Servant Rumbland Cumberland BLACKSTOCK, Annie Servant Single F 16 1875 General Servant Domestic AllhallowsCumberland
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24 Mar 2012 16:22 |
From your tree on ancestry this is the marriage you have
Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miller Sarah Cockermouth 25 69 Sharp William Cockermouth 25 69
Do you have evidence that this is their marriage? as already mentioned if he was born 1835 or 1837 he may have been a bit young to marry
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24 Mar 2012 16:26 |
Stuart
I think Arthur has all the info re James it is before 1881 he is looking for
just to add this is the marriage Arthur has for James and Annie
Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBINSON Annie Ulverston 8e 1487 Sharp James Ulverston 8e 1487
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24 Mar 2012 16:44 |
Patchem had asked poster for "who James 1871 married and children or post the censuses for him" Hoping there might be something to link the earlier and later finds i suppose. I can't see any of the family in 1871 which might help.
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24 Mar 2012 16:59 |
In the 1881 census they both mention they were born in Wigton in Cumberland she says she's 48 ie born 1833 and he says 46 ie born 1835. I was looking for a partner called Sarah and came across Sarah Miller and a marriage of 1850 in Cockermouth but that would only make him about 15/16 of course the census taker could have written down the wrong age. James married Annie Robinson in Ulverston in Cumberland.
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