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Why are you not spending £9.25 to put yourself and everyone else out of their misery? Please get that death certificate North. We have been advising you of that for a month now.

Eeh, rootgatherer, was I breaking my Catholic vows when as a teenager I indulged in a seance? And a fascinating experience it was too. Catholics don't all live by the strict rules of the religion, some use birth control methods, and have affairs. It might be "against their religion" but they still do it.

Please, Catholics, don't think I am having a go at you (cos I am one), just saying that anything is possible.

Anyway, as regards a seance, you can't choose who you call up. You get whoever is around in the atmosphere at the time. It might be a complete stranger. Eeh, I sound like a crank, but I have some weird experience of seances from nearly 50 years ago that left a lasting impression on me.

Nevertheless, North, we need that death cert please. You have no choice now. No seance is likely to help you.

Meg

Don't agree that she would only be interested in contacting a husband or children. Perhaps her mother died young. Unusual for a practising R.C. to go to a seance - it is against their religion is it not?

With all due respect to your mother, if the details on the death certificate are all wrong why will she not show it to you? One can't help but think that there is a clue in the death certificate and your Mum knows more than she is telling you.

Wouldn't be the first time the living have obstructed the search for the dead. My OH's aunt assured me that her father hadn't been married twice. He had! He divorced his first wife in 1920 (unusual, I know) and immediately married the Aunt's mother who actually brought up some of the 7 children from her husband's first marriage.

yeah that might have happened.

my mother thinks she married a sweetman.

I dont know if you remember on previous messages, that she used to try to contact somebody with suance.

you only would be interested in connacting your husband or your children, not your parents.

She was a Cathlolic. I dont know if that matters with the search.

Ok

Say she was born Ellen Smith for example her father went off to war and was killed

Her mother then married or took up with a Mr Sweetman...then there would be nothing stopping her to call herself Sweetman nothing was checked back then

why whould she not be a sweetmen if she was is born in the war time.

I have no trouble finding records from my grandfather side
with the name being unusaly.

If she was born around war time, then there is a good chance Sweetman was not her birth name and as there are no more to choose from it looks very likely

I think I might have to accept that I my not tgoing to find her date of birth.

What I meant to say about ellen rosenberg certifiate is to confirm that she is the lady born in 1914.



my mother and I thinks she might not be sweetman.

I think you are going to be hard pushed to find Ellen without any real dates to go on

This is the only other Ellen and if you are adiment she was 43 when she died there is not much point in looking any further now

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
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Sweetman Ellen Solihull 6d 623


I have also said that Ellen could have perhaps been born with a different name. mother re married and Ellen took new fathers name ??

Unless you find some real evidence of her birth...this is just going around in circles

my mother keeps saying there is no reason to look at it. she said everything is wrong on the certificate. I keep asking but she is convinced there is nothing there.
I've tried to find it but I have not successed. The only way is order one again but I feel im going behind her back.

My mother remembers going to Irlend for holiday. I've searched for a ellen in Irland records, but only one. I cant remember the year she was born. I dont have a subscripition to Ancesters. So I need to go to library to search again.

When my grandmother went to hospital she was very thin ,my mother says she was a like a ghost. She had a cut in her leg which led her cut go septic. She must have looked old to the doctors.
on the certifcate it writes she is around the age of early 50's.

I00 percent there was no family when she was in hospital.

No one said you needed Ellen Rosenburgs death cert

It is your own grandmothers death cert which is needed

my mother lived with her father when her mother died.

So I do not need to order Ellen Rosenberg death certificate to confirm she is the lady born in 1914.

North, please get this certificate. You were alerted to it three weeks ago, and we cannot help you further until you have it.

Name: OSBALDESTON, Ellen
Registration district: [?] Oldham
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1956
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:47
Volume no: 10F
Page no: 34

You can get it from the GRO, website

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

£9.25

We can do no more without it.

I have been following this thread with interest. I totally agreed with the helpers who have said you NEED the death certificate North.

While it may be that the informant was a member of the hospital staff, you would image that Ellen must have given a next of kin. It is difficult to image that a lady with two young children gave no consideration as to what would become of her children when she was ill. Did Mr. Osbaldeson look after children after Ellen died? If the man that your mother recalls visiting was a sibling of Ellen, would he not have wondered at anytime after Ellen's death what became of her children?

With regards to Ellen's recorded age at the time of her death, I searched for a long time for a death of an ancestor (luckily with an uncommon surname) and eventaully bit the bullet and ordered a certificate where the age was "out" by 10 years. The age given on the actaul certificate was his correct age but for some reason it had been misrecorded on the index not mistranscribed from the index.

So really North, you do need that death certificate!

Yes North

I have been saying this since page 1 of this thread

I think I've found the lady who was born in 1914 Lancashire.

Its's an Ellen Sweetman who married George Ronsenberg. She Died in 1992, Lanashire, she was born on in July the 6th,1914, Lanashire.

That lady was born in July -Aug-Sep Quarter.

North, please find that death certificate of Ellen Osbaldeston who died in 1965 supposedly age 47. We cannot do anything without it, and, sadly, maybe cannot do anything with it either, but at least get it please, as there is no other place to go. If your mother cannot find it, then get it yourself. We just want to know who recorded the death.

There is nothing more that we can do, it is all guesswork without that death certificate.

Name: OSBALDESTON, Ellen
Registration district: [?] Oldham
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1956
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:47
Volume no: 10F
Page no: 34

You have no choice now. Either your mother has this certificate or she doesn't, in which case you need to buy it.

All oher speculation is pointless.

Get the certificate.

Sorry North I do not understand what you mean

You do not know that the 1914 birth is your grandmother.... if the birth matches the death of Ellen Rosenberg then it is not correct

If you think that is her birth...then purchase the cert

somebody said that she would be 43 which would confirm that mother is right.

yeah I have. on find my fast . there is not any children. another ellen married a Traynor. they had children. another ellen married Crockett also no children.

now from beginning does that ellen born in 1914 could be my mother's mother.