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Day Month 11-Apr
Year 1881
Parish Or Reg District Austell, St.
Groom Fn William
Groom Sn NEGUS
Groom Age full
Groom Residence St Jame's Paddington
Groom Condition b
Groom Rank Profession Solicitor
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) s
Groom Father Name John Negus
Groom Father Rank Profession engineer
Bride Fn Emily
Bride Sn EWINGS
Bride Age full
Bride Residence St Austell
Bride Condition s
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) s
Bride Father Name Robert Ewings
Bride Father Rank Profession gentleman
Banns / Licence (B/L) Banns
Witness Fn1 Thos R
Witness Sn1 Parnell
Witness Fn2 Elizabeth
Witness Sn2 Martyn
Other Information
Transcriber Notes

I found this website:

LLANBADARN CHURCHYARD BY A W GILBEY AND PENGLAIS SCHOOL HISTORY SOCIETY

Memorial Dl17
Sacred to the memory of W. Besemeres, M.D., F .R.C.S., who died at Dole, near Aberystwyth, December 29th 1871. Also of Emily Ewings, (sister of E. Besemeres), who died at Dole June 27th, 1875.

Website Author Note: Dr William Besemeres was born in London and retired to live at Dole where he died at the age of 74. Emily Ewings was the sister of his wife Elizabeth who was staying with the family with another sister, Alice, in 1871.

So it seems Elizabeth had 2 sisters, unmarried, Alice and Emily (although Alice as sister is perhaps more assumed than proved). But who is the Emily who married William Negus?

would this discount the California connection

The Royal Cornwall Gazette Falmouth Packet, Cornish Weekly News, & General Advertiser (Truro, England), Friday, October 31, 1884

Martyn Marshall At the residence of Mr. Edmund Trethewey ,Stockton ,San Josquin ,Co. California October 4th Mr.Joseph Martyn of St Issy Cornwall to Miss Harriet Marshall of London

There is a Family tree on ancestry with him on ........ a CORRECT family tree :-D



but they only have his birth, parentage and siblings

Sylvia - thank you for putting an end to that wild goose chase

But it did introduce a new player: I had not seen Joseph Pearce Martyn (born 1856), apparently the eldest child of Richard Uriah Martyn, before. However, I cannot find any record of him, although I remember seeing somewhere, before he was of interest, a reference to a Joseph Martyn, born in Cornwall about 1856, being or dying in California - I did not take note of it at the time and cannot now remember the source.

John

Another Wedding at St. Austell .
The Royal Cornwall Gazette Falmouth Packet, Cornish Weekly News, & General Advertiser (Truro, England), Thursday, October 17, 1895

another large report so will only put highlights

Mr Arthur Slade Hitchins second son of Mr Thomas Hitchins and Miss Sophie Mary Pearce Martyn
officiated by Rev C T Ward brother in law
best man F Hitchens brother of groom
groomsmen F D Bain and Herbert Hitchins
Bride given away by her brother Mr.R E P Martyn
maid of honour Miss Isabella Hitchens sister of the briegroom
bridesmaids Misses Violet and Lily Ward her nieces

Elizabeth Bederby apparently ONLY appears in that family tree.


and if you investigate it further ..................


They have her living in Lancashire in 1851, born in Exeter, Devon, married to a Richard Martyn, also born in Exeter:-


Name Age
Richard Martyn 33 b.ca 1818, Exeter, Tea Agent
Elizabeth Martyn 30 b.ca 1821, Exeter, Devon
Claria Martyn 9 b.ca 1842, Exeter
Jane Martyn 5 b.ca 1845, Exeter
Christiana Martyn 2 b,ca 1849, Exeter

Address:- 10 Ann Street, Everton, Lancashire



THEN the tree shows her marrying Richard Uriah Martyn in 1855


But I've found her with Richard Martyn born Exeter on the 1861 Census

1861 Census

Name: Richard Martyn
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizth Martyn
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Fairfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby

Richard Martyn 43
Elizth Martyn 42
Christian Martyn 12
Emma Martyn 9
Ezekiel Martyn 6
Henry Davies 40
Mary Williams 34
Abel Hughes 21
Edwin Williams 2




In other words .................. a typical example of a right royal mess, so often found on ancestry Trees




John .................

IGNORE THE ELIZABETH BEDERBY ........ SHE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RICHARD MARTYN!!!




sylvia

I did not notice the date of that marriage!

I just noticed wrong mother!




and children born or conceived outside marriage was far from unusual, as Mike says.


It proved that the woman was fecund .................. so farmers etc liked it because there would be children born to support them in old age.


Even the wealthy had many "premature" babies.


OH's gt gt grandmother married in December 1831, and gave birth in May 1832 ................... a descendent of one of her siblings, told me that that was NOT unusual in that community or time ............ many of her ancestors had the midwife waiting at the door of the church "just in case".

These were wealthy farmers and millers.



sylvia

I don't think it was so much of a scandal in those days.

Children born (or conceived) out of wedlock was not unusual

Even more complicated!

There are now 3 wives:
1. Elizabeth Bederby, 1820-1894, married 1855
2. Ann Matilda Pearce, 1829-1902, married 1857
3. Elizabeth Bessmeres, nee Ewings, 1824- ,married 1878

All the children appear to be from Ann Matilda Pearce, judging from the names. But the birth date of Joseph is before the marriage!

With their money and position, could such a scandal be covered?

Quoy

I saw that tree, but did not post it, because they so obviously have the mother wrong

Ann Matilda Pearce was the mother of the children


Elizabeth does not seem to ever have had any children.






sylvia

forgive me if this has been posted but

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/4369338/person/-1615076200


Richard Uriah Martyn
Birth 22 August 1824 in Cornwell England
Death 29 January 1887 in Cornwell England
Age: 31
Marriage to Elizabeth Bederby
Cornwell England 1855

Spouse & Children
Elizabeth Bederby
1820 – 1894
Joseph Pearce Martyn
1856 –
Kate Pearce Martyn
1858 – 1919
Sophia Mary Martyn
1861 – 1941
Richard Elias Pearce Martyn
1864 – 1916

he Royal Cornwall Gazette, Falmouth Packet, and General Advertiser (Truro, England), Friday, October 18, 1861; pg. 5; Issue 3

At the house of his son in law Mr. Richard Martyn on the 9th inst Mr.John Pearce of New House in Tywardreath aged 59

St. Austell - Death of Mr. R.U. MARTYN, of St. Austell - Great regret was felt in St. Austell yesterday (Sunday) morning when it became known that Mr. Richard Uriah Martyn, of Clynton, St. Austell, and Fowey, had died during the previous night. Mr. Martyn, who was to all appearance a robust man, had been ailing only about a week; and only on the 19th instant attended a meeting in the Town-hall to promote a local scheme in commemoration of the Queen's jubilee. It appears that a few days ago he received a slight injury to his foot, but not of such a nature as to cause alarm to his friends or medical attendant. Inflammation, however, set in; and soon after one o'clock on Sunday morning Mr. Martyn passed away. The deceased gentleman was the son of the late Elias Martyn, of Carthew House, and for many years carried on a successful business in the china clay trade, under the name of Elias Martyn and Sons. Originally the Martyns were Wesleyans, but of late years they have attended the services of the Church of England. Although unsuccessful at the last election of churchwardens, the deceased gentleman some years since filled that office with great credit. In politics Mr. Martyn was an ardent Conservative, and only recently made great efforts to establish a Conservative club in the town. He took great interest in all objects for the benefit of the town, and was the promoter of the Carthew Institute and Reading-rooms, and contributed handsomely to its funds. Mr. Martyn, who was about 60 years of age, was a Guardian of the poor at the time of his death. As an economist, he will be greatly missed on the Board. Mr. Martyn leaves a widow and one son and a daughter.

This family has certainly got my interest

what an interesting family!

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CORNISH-GEN/2004-01/1074366022

he Martyn Family were the owners of the Carthew Estate on which the Wheal
Martyn pit was established. The family led by Elias Martyn started several
clay works in the area. In the 1840s he expanded Carthew House and moved his
family up from St. Austell to live there. The house was demolished in the
late 1960s but the leaded glass window was saved and is on display here.

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The Gomm works were leased by the Martin Brothers from the Mount Edgecumbe
Estate in about 1878, and were worked until about the 1920s. The buildings
now form the main entrance to the museum, the shop and the coffee shop.

Wheal Martyn China Clay works began working much earlier, in the 1820s.
They were started by Elias Martyn on the Carthew Estate, bought by his
father Richard in 1790. Elias became one of the major clay producers in
Cornwall. In the 1840s he operated five pits and by 1869 was producing 2000
tons of clay a year at Wheal Martyn. After Elias' death in 1872 the family
kept the land at Carthew, but his son Richard Uriah Martyn closed down or
leased the works to other operators.

In 1880 John Lovering took on the lease at Wheal Martyn......

And that’s about it in the guide book. Though Wheal Martyn has quite an
extensive archive which may be worth consulting


could be worth getting in touch to see if they have any family papers

http://www.wheal-martyn.com/thecollection.html

A rather large report of the wedding of Alice Louisa Ewing Gordon and Richard E P Martyn ( which as a one fingered typist would take me all day)

The Royal Cornwall Gazette Falmouth Packet, Cornish Weekly News, & General Advertiser (Truro, England), Thursday, May 17, 1894; pg. 6;

At Carthew St Austell on Thursday
among the guests the Rev C T Ward brother in law

Mr.Martyn had been residing at Sherbourne that he might study farming and gain the necessary qualifications for being a leader in the neighbourhood

John


don't forget that most of our ancestors were illiterate ...... and the enumerators were often only a little more literate!


Mis-spellings on the actual forms are rife.


I've been following one today that varies from Shuter to Shooter to Shutter!



So ewings vs ewengs is actually very possible!



sylvia

Quoy and Sylvia - great information, thank you

Errenge or Ewings:
In the image the double 'r' could be a 'w' and the final 'e' could be 's', but the middle 'e' certainly looks like an 'e' when compared to all the other 'e' and 'i' occurences on the same page. I will see if I can get any access in Belgium.