Find Ancestors

still pondering ........ :-)

OK I just realised that 11 Mill Pl/Lane was the address given as next of kin so has to be that Mrs E Brown...this is very odd!!!

What does it all mean?!

Just when I thought I had it all figured out! :-S

I have Wm Hugh's birth cert; he was born at the Victoria Rd address (she died soon after he was born on 20th Jan) to David HUNTER, general labourer, and Sarah Elizabeth formerly BROWN (deceased).

Sarah Elizabeth Hunter
Date of Burial 19th February 1880
Age 24
Abode Victoria Road Margate
Parish Church Margate St John
Parish Thanet

David's baptism:
Name David Henry Brown
Father's Name David Brown
Mother's Name Eliza Brown
Date of Baptism 7th October 1877
Parent's Occupation Private Soldier*
Abode 181 High Street Margate
Parish Church Margate St John
Ceremony Performed By G J Everest Curate
Parish Thanet

I also have the birth cert, which says mother Sarah Elizabeth Brown, domestic servant. Father not named. *On DHH jnr's 1900 marriage cert, his father's occupation is given as Private 15th Hussars HM Army.

Note this fits with his age on this census with father and stepmum:
1881 Census:
David HUNTER Head M Male 28 Belfast, Ireland Painter
Eliza HUNTER Wife M Female 21 Margate, Kent, England Painter Wife
David H. HUNTER Son Male 3 Margate, Kent, England
Eliza LUCKETT Boarder U Female 25 Margate, Kent, England General Servant
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Mummery Bldgs. (King St.)
Census Place Margate St John Baptist, Kent, England
Family History Library Film 1341234
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0985 / 98
Page Number 17

DHH snr and Eliza GILBERT married July 1880 as widower, aged 28, occ painter, father Hugh HUNTER, cabinetmaker. On the July 1878 marriage of Sarah Elizabeth BROWN, aged 22, to Wm David HUNTER, aged 26, his father is also shown as Hugh HUNTER, carpenter.

soooo confusing! that seemed to be a good fit too!

ah minor detail...! ;-)

Here's what I have -

1871 Census
Name: Sarah Brown Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Margate, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Margate
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Margate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Henry Brown/54/auctioneer's porter/Margate
John Brown/18/son/Margate
Sarah Brown/15/dau/Margate
Susannah Brown/56/wife/St Peter's Kent

back to the drawing board :-(

Hmm...the Sarah Elizabeth I have (I believe there were 2 in Margate) was the daughter of Hy Marsh BROWN, porter. They were living at 181 High St, Margate 1878-1880.

(This info from the marriage cert 1878)

1871

Sarah Elizabeth and Daniel Richard are siblings -


1871 England Census 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah E Brown
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Archibald Brown
Mother's name: Sarah Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Margate, Kent, England
Civil parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Margate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Margate
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 991
Folio: 118
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Brown 42
Sarah Brown 41
Archibald Brown 17
>>>>>Sarah E Brown 16
Mary Brown 14
Elizabeth Brown 12
Amelia Brown 10
Caroline I Brown 9
William Brown 6
>>>>>Daniel R Brown 3
Jane F Brown 1


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 991; Folio: 118; Page: 25; GSU roll: 838723.

Having found DHH coming back yet, and sadly have to go to work in a bit, no doubt Choccy will find something.

See you both later, Dee x

Ooh just realised the BROWN is a definite link to Sarah Elizabeth BROWN...his first wife who died in 1880. Yay!!!

Wow, that's brilliant!

Yes Wm's mother died in 1880 and I guess he was farmed out, then both boys ended up in Isle of Thanet Workhouse in 1891 after DHH snr died in 1885.

I did not know about DHH jnr going to the US to visit his brother!!!

Hm that seems to put some doubt on the 2nd marriage to Margaret LOWE in 1911 then. Starting to wonder if there are 2 DHH's at work born Margate c1877-8!!! Surely not, had enough trouble finding the first one!

(To save you some work I have already found him born as Hy David BROWN; the David Hy HUNTER b. 1876 Woowlich died 1876; there was one born in Islington in 1877? But this could hardly be confused with Margate surely.)

Unless he and Margaret spilt up I guess - else why would he have an aunt as next of kin in the UK, and not his wife?!

Can you see him returning?

1911

369 BROWN, Richard Head Married M 43 1868 Fish Dealer Margate Kent VIEW
>>>>> 369 BROWN, Emily Louisa Wife Married
8 years F 42 1869 Lambeth London VIEW
369 BURTON, Frank Bertrum Son Single M 11 1900 School Margate Kent VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4493 Reference:
RG14PN4493 RG78PN185 RD63 SD2 ED11 SN369

Registration District:
Thanet Sub District:
Margate Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Margate St John the Baptist

Address:
11 Mill Lane Margate County:
Kent



Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Brown Daniel Richard Thanet 2a 2137
Burton Emily Louisa A Thanet 2a 2137



Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Burton Frank Bertram S Thanet 2a 1018

Border Crossings: From U.S. to Canada, 1908-1935
about William Hunter Name: William Hunter
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Arrival Port: Victoria, British Columbia
Date of Arrival: 13 May 1926
Birth Location: Margate, England
Gender: Male
Citizenship: British

Gives his NOK as brother David Hunter in Margate

WWI Civilian Draft Registrations
about William Hugh Hunter Name: Hunter, William Hugh
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1880
Birth Place: relative lives Margate England
City/County: San Miguel
State: CO
Ethnicity: W

NOK; David Henry Hunter, Margate

Looks like he's in an institution;

1901 England Census
about William Hunter Name: William Hunter
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Margate, Kent, England

Civil parish: Tooting Graveney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Tooting Graveney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: House painter??

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: Tooting Home
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 480
Folio: 37
Page Number: 12

????

1881 England Census
about William Hunter Name: William Hunter
Relation: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Male
Where born: Margate, Kent, England

Civil parish: Margate St John Baptist
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 28 Church Street
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Margate
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 984
Folio: 69
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas P. Fox 40
Mary J. Fox 44
Walter Lawrence 13
William Hunter 14 months old

Have you seen this?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about David Henry Hunter Name: David Henry Hunter
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1914
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: margate
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of departure: Southampton, England
Port of arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Philadelphia

NOK in the Uk was (looks like ); Aunt, Mrs E Brown. 11 Mill Place Margate.
Going to brother William Hunter (can't read where exactly) New York

Dee x

perhaps David Henry was visiting relatives back in the Thanet area?

death certificate might throw some light on it

the distance between Paddington (a district of London) and Thanet (towns of Ramsgate, Margate and Broadstairs in Kent) is about 65 - 70 miles

(I live in Broadstairs)

Well done, Choccy! That's brilliant. :-D

No sign of David Hy in the electoral reg? Seems odd he would have died in Thanet if this couple seem to have stayed in Paddington area. Though I have no idea how close they are to each other!

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965

Name: Margaret Georgina Hunter
Electoral Year: 1933
County or Borough: Westminster
Parliamentary Division: Paddington


Address - 6 Elcom Street

living with Louisa LOWE



(STILL TOGETHER IN 1937)

nudge for jax, Choccy & BatMansDaughter :-)

P.S. David is in hospital in 1911, no sign of Lily.

P.P.S. Looking at David Hy's remarriage to Margaret LOWE in 1911, I can't see any sign of them after that - no deaths? Possible birth in 1920 but that means the 1915 death for David is not him. And if it is, no remarriage found for Margaret, nor her death. So confused!

Is there an index that shows any additional info on deaths?
David H HUNTER d. Thanet 1915, June qtr, 2a 1382