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15 Jan 2012 18:40 |
Strange, the one above has appeared on the thread! How do I move a reply from my mailbox to the thread?
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15 Jan 2012 18:38 |
Please can anyone tell me why, even though I use the reply box, it does not appear on the thread but in my mailbox?
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15 Jan 2012 13:58 |
registered in reverse order?
Births Sep 1890 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mills Elizabeth Clara Newtown 11b 161
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15 Jan 2012 13:54 |
Found myself wondering about Clara Morgan c1890.
In 1901 she is Clara Morgan born c1891 Llandinam Montgomeryshire. In 1911 she is Clara Elizabeth Morgan born c1890 Caersws Montgomeryshire.
In 1891 widowed John Mills has an 8 month old granddaughter living with him called Clara E Mills who was born Kerry , where we believe Mary MIlls was working in 1891.
Just a co-incidence?
I can't find a birth ref for a Clara Mills or a Clara Morgan, just to complicate the issue!
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15 Jan 2012 11:26 |
Kucinta, Again, many thanks. I am inclined to believe that in 1891 Mary is the one at Y Fron, Kerry, Goitre, working as a domestic with the Davies (this is not far from Black Hill, where her daughters were in 1891). The info gives Davidswalls as her birthplace - a mis-transcript, probably, for St David's Well, a hamlet very close to Llanbadarn Fynnedd, in Radnorshire, which fits with the later stated birthplace of Mary Morgan. I'm not sure about Llananno, which is further away. I hope the marriage cert will put me on the right track. Best regards, Mary
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13 Jan 2012 12:52 |
Looks like John Mills married in 1842, but which marriage is his?
Marriages Dec 1842 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>BREES Ann Newtown &c 27 209 DAVIES David Newtown &c 27 209 EVANS Jane Newtown &c 27 209 Lewis Richard Newtown &c 27 209 >>>Mills John Newtown &c 27 209 Morgans Mary Anne Newtown &c 27 209 OWEN William Newtown &c 27 209
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Marriages Dec 1842 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>HUGHES Anne Knighton 26 345 >>>Mills John Knighton 26 345 Worthing Richard Knighton 26 345
Knighton covers Llananno and Llanbadarn Fynydd.
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13 Jan 2012 00:51 |
Sarah Ann Mills in 1901?
JONES, John Head Married M 57 1844 Farmer Beguildy Radnorshire JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1845 Abbey Cwmhir Radnorshire JONES, Sarah M Daughter Single F 23 1878 Farmers Daughter Kerry Montgomeryshire JONES, John L Son Single M 20 1881 Farmers Son Kerry Montgomeryshire JONES, Samuel W Son Single M 18 1883 Farmers Son Kerry Montgomeryshire JONES, George T Son M 10 1891 Mainstone Salop OWENS, Sarah Servant Widow F 58 1843 Assistant Housekeeper Abbey Cwmhir Radnorshire >>>MILLS, Sarah A Servant Single F 16 1885 General Servant (Domestic) Newtown Montgomeryshire HANCHAM, Charles Servant Single M 26 1875 Farm Bailiff Churchstoke Montgomeryshire BEVAN, Charles J Servant Single M 23 1878 Cowman On Farm London HARRIS, Richard Servant Single M 20 1881 Waggoner On Farm Kerry Montgomeryshire TROW, Alfred Servant M 14 1887 Waggoner On Farm Churchstoke Montgomeryshire
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 5195 Folio: 14 Page: 4 Registration District: Newtown Civil Parish: Kerry Municipal Borough:
Address: Cwm Bromley, Kerry, Sarn County: Montgomeryshire
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13 Jan 2012 00:32 |
Mochdre (see census 1891) comes under Newtown Reg District:
Deaths Jun 1891 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MILLS John 76 Newtown 11b 174
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13 Jan 2012 00:26 |
Census 1891:
MILLS, John Head Widower M 76 1815 Retired Farmer Nantmel Radnorshire MILLS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 31 1860 General Domestid Farm Servant Llananno Radnorshire MILLS, John Grandson M 11 1880 Scholar Llananno Radnorshire MILLS, William Grandson M 7 1884 Scholar Llananno Radnorshire MILLS, Clara E Granddaughter F 0 (8M) 1891 Kerry Montgomeryshire
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 4592 Folio: 74 Page: 6 Registration District: Newtown Civil Parish: Mochdre Municipal Borough: Address: Congley, Mochdre, Stepaside County: Montgomeryshire
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13 Jan 2012 00:23 |
census 1881:
MILLS, John Head Married M 66 1815 Farmer Of 25 Acres Nantmel Radnorshire Wales MILLS, Ann Wife Married F 57 1824 Farmers Wife St Harmon Radnorshire Wales MILLS, Edward Son Single M 19 1862 Farmers Son Llananno Radnorshire Wales MILLS, Aaron Grand Son Single M 11 1870 Llananno Radnorshire Wales MILLS, John A Grand Son Single M 1 1880 Knighton Radnorshire Wales
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 5474 Folio: 64 Page: 3 Registration District: Knighton Civil Parish: Llananno Municipal Borough:
Address: Plentifulgates, Llananno County: Radnorshire
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12 Jan 2012 23:35 |
Same family in 1851 Is daughter Eleanor named after her paternal grandmother (see census 1841), and son Francis after his paternal grandfather?:
MILLS, John Head Married M 35 1816 Farmer Nantmel Radnorshire MILLS, Anne Wife Married F 27 1824 Farmer's Wife Llandilovane Montgomeryshire MILLS, Fransis Son M 7 1844 Farmer's Son Llananno Radnorshire MILLS, John Son M 5 1846 Farmer's Son Nantmel Radnorshire MILLS, Hugh Son M 3 1848 Farmer's Son Nantmel Radnorshire MILLS, Eleanor Daughter F 2 1849 Farmer's Daughter Nantmel Radnorshire
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 2493 Folio: 361 Page: 13 Registration District: Knighton Civil Parish: Cwmlechwedd Municipal Borough:
Address: City House, Cwmlechwedd County: Radnorshire
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12 Jan 2012 23:14 |
Census 1861:
MILLS, John Head Married M 45 1816 Farmer Of 15 Acres Nantmel Radnorshire MILLS, Ann Wife Married F 37 1824 St Harmon Radnorshire MILLS, David Son M 9 1852 Farmers Son Llanbister Radnorshire MILLS, Joseph Son M 8 1853 Farmers Son Llanbister Radnorshire MILLS, Ann Daughter F 6 1855 Farmers Daughter Llanbister Radnorshire MILLS, Sarah Daughter F 4 1857 Farmers Daughter Llananno Radnorshire MILLS, Elizabeth Daughter F 1 1860 Farmers Daughter Llananno Radnorshire
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 4235 Folio: 62 Page: 3 Registration District: Knighton Civil Parish: Llananno Municipal Borough:
Address: Plentyfell Gates, Upper Fordlace, Llananno County: Radnorshire
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12 Jan 2012 23:07 |
Census 1841?
MILLS, Francis M 65 1776 Radnorshire Farmer MILLS, Eleanor F 65 1776 Radnorshire >>>>MILLS, John M 25 1816 Radnorshire No occupation recorded MILLS, Evan M 30 1811 Radnorshire carpenter MEREDITH, William M 4 1837 Radnorshire
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 1458 Book/Folio: 8/6 Page: 8 Registration District: Rhayader Civil Parish: Nantmel Municipal Borough: Address: Upper House, Nantmel, Coedglasson County: Radnorshire
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12 Jan 2012 22:37 |
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I now believe this is the correct family for Mary Mills in 1871. Note she has a sister called Martha.
Llananno (see also census 1881) is near Llanbadarn Fynydd (see census 1911).
Name: Mary Mills Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Mills Mother's Name: Ann Mills Gender: Female Where born: Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales Civil parish: Llananno County/Island: Radnorshire Country: Wales Registration district: Knighton Sub-registration district: Llanbister ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 24 Piece: 5597 Folio: 69 Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age John Mills 56 c1815 Nantmel, Radnorshire, Wales farmer of 22 acres Ann Mills 47 c1824 St Harmon, Radnorshire, Wales Elizabeth Mills 11 c1860 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales Edward Mills 9 c1862 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales >>>>Mary Mills 6 c1865 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales Martha Mills 4 c1867 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales Aaron Mills 1 grandson c1870 Llananno, Radnorshire, Wales
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12 Jan 2012 22:17 |
Mary in 1881? Some of the family she worked for were born in Llanbadarn.
JONES, John Head Married M 37 1844 Farmer 470 Acres Employing 3 Men 1 Boy Llanano Radnorshire Wales JONES, Jane Wife Married F 26 1855 Llanbadarn Radnorshire Wales JONES, Evan Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Llanllwchaiarn Montgomeryshire Wales JONES, Abraham Son Single M 4 1877 Kerry Montgomeryshire Wales JONES, Mary J Daughter Single F 3 1878 Kerry Montgomeryshire Wales JONES, John P Son Single M 0 1881 Kerry Montgomeryshire Wales JONES, Sarah Mother Widow F 59 1822 Annuitant Llanbadarn Radnorshire Wales JONES, Mary Niece Single F 8 1873 Scholar Llanbadarn Radnorshire Wales JONES, Thomas Servant Single M 17 1864 Ag Laborer Houghtre Montgomeryshire Wales JONES, Abraham Servant Single M 14 1867 Ag Laborer Houghtre Montgomeryshire Wales WILLIAMS, Joseph Servant Single M 24 1857 Ag Laborer Shropshire >>>>MILLS, Mary Servant Single F 17 1864 Domestic Servant Llananno Radnorshire Wales
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 5485 Folio: 62 Page: 4 Registration District: Newtown Civil Parish: Kerry Municipal Borough:
Address: Weeg, Kerry County: Montgomeryshire
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12 Jan 2012 22:13 |
Possibly Mary in 1891?
DAVIES, Thomas Head Widower M 65 1826 Farmer Blind Trowbridge Wiltshire DAVIES, John Son Single M 23 1868 Farmer Son Kerry Montgomeryshire >>>MILLS, Mary Servant Single F 25 1866 Housekeeper Domestic Servant Radnorshire Davidswalls CORBITT, Charles Servant Single M 16 1875 Farm Servant Llandysilio Montgomeryshire
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 4592 Folio: 20 Page: 2 Registration District: Newtown Civil Parish: Kerry Municipal Borough:
Address: Fron, Kerry, Goitre County: Montgomeryshire
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12 Jan 2012 14:49 |
Same family from 1901 census I posted, in 1911, ties in with the 1900 marriage I posted:
Married 11 years . 5 children, 2 living, 3 deceased.
MORGAN, David Head M 58 1853 Farmer Montgomery Tregynon >>>MORGAN, Mary Wife Married 11 years F 46 1865 Radnorshire Llanbadarn Fynyeth MORGAN, Clara Elizabeth Daughter Single F 21 1890 Farmers Daughter Dairy Work Montgomery Caersws MORGAN, John Robert Son M 4 1907 Montgomeryllandysill MORGAN, Peter S Grandson M 1 1910 Montgomeryllandysill
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 33777 Reference: RG14PN33777 RG78PN1949 RD616 SD3 ED3 SN5 Registration District: Newtown Sub District: Kerry Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Kerry Address: Sycamore Cottage Llandyssil Montgomery County: Montgomeryshire
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12 Jan 2012 14:28 |
???????
EDIT: I now think this is wrong, and the Llanbadarn Mary was born in, in census 1901, was actually Llanbadarn Fynydd (which is not far from Newtown) as per census 1911, but have left this for elimination purposes.
Census 1871
Name: Mary Anne Mills Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Mills Mother's Name: Ada Eliza Mills Gender: Female >>>>>Where born: Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales Civil parish: Llanbadarn Vawr Ecclesiastical parish: St David County/Island: Radnorshire Country: Wales Registration district: Rhayader Sub-registration district: Nantmel ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 69 Piece: 5600 Folio: 92 Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age John Mills 43 c1828 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales. farmer of 50 acres. Ada Eliza Mills 44 c1827 Llanbister, Radnorshire, Wales Jane Mills 12 c1859 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales John Mills 9 c1862 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales Mary Anne Mills 5 c1866 Llanbadarn Vawr, Radnorshire, Wales
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12 Jan 2012 14:20 |
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Marriages Jun 1900 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evans Jane Ellen Newtown 11b 304 >>>Mills Mary Newtown 11b 304 >>>Morgan David Newtown 11b 304 Phillips William Newtown 11b 304
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12 Jan 2012 14:16 |
Census 1901:
Name: Marth Mills [Marth Morgan] Age in 1901: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: David Morgan Mother's Name: Mary Morgan Gender: Female Where born: Dolfor, Montgomeryshire, Wales Civil parish: Llandyssil Ecclesiastical parish: Llandyssil St Tyssil County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Registration district: Forden Sub-registration district: Montgomery ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 30 Piece: 5199 Folio: 65 Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age David Morgan 40 c1861 Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales .Waggoner on farm. >>Mary Morgan 36 c1865 Llanbadarn, Radnorshire, Wales Clara Morgan 10 c1891 Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales >>Marth Mills 15 c1886 Dolfor, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Definitely written as Marth Mills on the original, also as daur, and single.
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