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George Whittle (b 1856 Shevington Lancashire) married Matilda Comber (b 1862 Pemberton Lancashire) 1884 in Standish Lancashire. In 1884 they went to USA but I can't find them coming back to England. In 1886 they went to Australia where 2 of their children were born and returned to England 1893. Emigrated to NZ 1901. I would like to know when they returned to England from USA.
Vivienne

This may be a silly question but how do you know that they came back to the UK from the USA between 1884~1886. Could they not have gone on to Australia from the USA?

N.B. I note that when they returned to the UK on 5/7/1893 aboard the "Aller" the ship had sailed from New York. If this is the family that you are following I note that their birth years in 1893 appear different from those in your original post:

George c1841, Mathilde c1851, Annie c1877, Emilie c1884, Peter c1888

The family that Jonesey mentions can't be the same family as here is George in 1881:-

1881 England Census about George Whittle
Name: George Whittle
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Peter Whittle
Mother's name: Mary Whittle
Gender: Male
Where born: Shevington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Shevington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Gathurst Lane

Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3758
Folio: 148
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Whittle 70
Mary Whittle 69
George Whittle 24
Mary A. Whittle 37

..........not married and still living with his parents, if it is the same George?

This would appear to be the Matilda that Vivienne is following. Interesting in so far that she has sisters Annie and Emily.

1871:

Name: Matilda Comer
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Comer
Mother's name: Emma Comer
Gender: Female
Where born: Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Shevington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 86
Piece: 3881
Folio: 135
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
George Comer 39
Emma Comer 38
Mary J Comer 16
Annie Comer 14
William Comer 12
Matilda Comer 8
Charles Comer 4
Emily Comer 10 Months

Annie, in Jonesey's family was born in 1877, so possible marriage for this couple?

Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
xxxx Sarson Matilda Barrow S. 7a 349
Toone Sarah Ann Barrow S. 7a 349
WARRINGTON Joseph Barrow S. 7a 349
xxxx WHITTLE George Barrow S. 7a 349

..........but that is just a theory!

EDIT:-
This George was born 1832 and this was a second marriage for him, so we can safely ignore this one.

Catherine that is the right family he married in 1884.
They went to Australia on the Chimborazo which sailed from London in 1886

Jonesey that is Matilda's family and her sisters, she obviously named her children after them.

Vivienne,

On what date and on what ship did the family arrive back in the UK in 1893? If it is the one that I found Their ages must have been mis-recorded.

They arrived in Southampton on 5 Jul 1893 on the ship 'Aller'.

If 1871 Matilda is the correct one, then she was born in 1863. A bit young to be having a child in 1877 (14yrs old) ?

Presumably this is the family departing for New Zealand. Once again some of the children's ages are mis-recorded.



WHITTLE A 1886 F 1901 London New Zealand Wellington
WHITTLE E 1893 F 1901 London New Zealand Wellington
WHITTLE Geo 1857 M 1901 London New Zealand Wellington
WHITTLE M 1863 F 1901 London New Zealand Wellington
WHITTLE M 1899 F 1901 London New Zealand Wellington
WHITTLE P 1890 M 1901 London New Zealand Wellington

Thats the right deaths. Annie married Willilam Price, my husband's grandmother. I am mainly trying to find where Annie was born as apparently it wasn't in Lancashire as we thought. I have bought 3 wrong birth certificates for her and asked the Wigan Leisure & Culture Trust
Heritage Services and they couldn't find her either. Lots of Annie Whittle's but none with the right parents.

Mary married Francis Price William's brother 1919 NZ and Peter married a sister Edith Maud Price so kept it all in the family.

I have most of that inormation was just trying to establish where Annie was born.

Annie died in Whangarei on 28th May 1952.

On her death certificate it says born in Wigan Lancashire

What about one of these?

Births Jun 1885 (>99%)
Whittle Annie Wigan 8c 79

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Whittle Annie Wigan 8c 35

for ref

marriage of george & matilda giving witnesses

Marriage: 1 Jan 1884 St Wilfid, Standish, Lancashire, England
George Whittle - 27 Miner Bachelor of Shevington
Matilda Comber - 21 Spinster of Standish, Lower Ground
Groom's Father: Peter Whittle, Grocer
Bride's Father: George Comber, Miner
Witness: John Bailey; Emily Comber
Married by Banns by: Alex. Richardson, Minister of the Shevington District
Register: Marriages 1880 - 1900, Page 46, Entry 92
Source: LDS Film 1526141

the 2 Annie's of Catherine's - different mmn

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHITTLE Annie Hindley Wigan & Leigh ABBOTT HNDL/83/462

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHITTLE Annie Wigan Wigan & Leigh JACKSON WIG/160/218

Thanks for your help everyone. I am in Australia so different time zone. I have 2 birth certificates 1 for 1885 mother Martha Abbott father William and 2nd one 1886 mother Ellen Jackson father Dennis. Don't want to keep buying wrong certificates that is why I asked for help from the Wigan Leisure & Culture Trust
Heritage Services
Museum Of Wigan Life
This is the reply
We have found the marriage of George and Matilda married at Standish St Wilfred's on 1st January 1884. Unfortunately we have not been able to find a baptism for Annie Whittle. It may have been that they have moved out of the Lancashire area quite soon after they where married.