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Thank you Greyghost I've just messaged him so fingers crossed

Welcome to the boards damian.

You've noticed that the thread is a few years old now - Gavin is probably not looking for replies now.

Try clicking on his name, you can then send a personal message through the GR system. If he still has the same email address he registered with GR they can let him know there is a message waiting for him.

Whether he gets it or not or replies is another matter.

I know this is a very long shot as this thread was last used in 2012 but I'm hoping Gavin will get this message. I've been searching for some time who I believe you are related to. His name is Alan Shepherd who is mentioned at the beginning and all the info I have on home matches yours. I'm hoping you get this and reply. Thank you in advance

Wedding Cert received for James Edwin Shepherd (Sailor / Journeyman) & Edith Annie Smith.
Married on 12th May 1913 at the Primitive Methodist Church in Saltburn-By-Sea.

James Edwin's father is shown as James Shepherd (deceased) - Butcher
Edith Annie's father is shown as William Smith - Labourer.

Witnesses are Joseph Moss & Florence Bates.

so far I have the following information from my efforts this weekend... just need to verify.

I have ordered the wedding certificate of his mother and father (James Edwin Shepherd & Edith Annie Smith), so i can confirm their parents and will work backwards by ordering each marriage cert if it matches my information below;

Parents of STANLEY JAMES SHEPHERD;

Father: James Edwin Shepherd was born in 1891 in Grinkle, Loftus, North Yorkshire and died on an unknown date.

Mother: Edith Annie Shepherd [Smith] was born in 1895 in Skinningrove, North Yorkshire and died on an unknown date.

Parents of JAMES EDWIN SHEPHERD;

Father: James William Shepherd was born in 1860 and died in 1891 in Guisborough, North Yorkshire, ENGLAND.

Mother: Margaret Jane Shepherd [Hodgson] was born in 1867 in Roxby, North Yorkshire, ENGLAND and died on an unknown date.

Parents of EDITH ANNIE SMITH;

Father: William Smith was born in 1847 in Skelton, Yorkshire, England and died on an unknown date.

Mother: Mary Ann Prout OR Turner was born in 1858 in Bishops Nympton, Devon, England and died on an unknown date.

Parents of JAMES WILLIAM SHEPHERD;

UNKNOWN

Parents of MARGARET JANE HODGSON;

Father: John Hodgson was born on Jan. 29, 1828 in Roxby, North Yorkshire, England and died in 1892 in Guisborough, North Yorkshire, ENGLAND.

Mother: Diana Hodgson [Tyerman] was born on Sep. 21, 1842 in Loftus, Yorkshire, ENGLAND and died on an unknown date.


Parents of JOHN HODGSON;

Father: James Hodgson died on an unknown date.

Mother: Everil Hodgson died on Jun. 1, 1865 in WHITBY North Yorkshire England.

Parents of DIANA TYERMAN;

Father: Joseph Tyerman was born in 1805 in Loftus, Yorkshire, ENGLAND and died on Feb. 15, 1892 in Lofthouse, Yorkshire, ENGLAND.

Mother: Elizabeth Tyerman [Thompson] was born on Feb. 28, 1811 in Hinderwell, Yorkshire, ENGLAND and died on May 31, 1854 in Loftus, Yorkshire, ENGLAND.

Parents of JOSEPH TYERMAN;

Father: Thomas Tyerman - born 1871, died 29 May 1863 in Yorkshire, ENGLAND, died 29 May 1863 in Skelton, Yorkshire, ENGLAND, buried in Skelton, Yorkshire, ENGLAND.

Mother: Diana Wilkinson - born 1779 in Skelton, Yorkshire, ENGLAND and died 1868 in Brotton, Yorkshire, ENGLAND, buried in Skelton, Yorkshire, ENGLAND.

Parents of THOMAS TYERMAN;

Father: John Tyerman - born 1751, died 12 Aug 1830 in Pinchinthorpe, Yorkshire, ENGLAND.

Mother: Margaret Richardson - born 1747, died 1812.


Can anyone confirm the logic behind this assumed line and where possible provide census data, scans, births, deaths, etc???

Many thanks to all you wonderful folk.

So far, I have certificates to prove the following;

My Maternal Grandfather was 'Stanley James Shepherd'

b1917 in Loftus, Guisborough (19th Nov 1917), I only have the small cert which doesnt name the parents. However, I have his marriage certificate;

m1944 in Port Clarance, Billingham, County Durham (19th February 1944)
26 years old, bachelor. Farm Labourer.
Father named as 'James Edwin Shepherd', Electrician for the Electric Company.
Wife to be - Rose McKie, 21 years old, Spinster, Munitions Worker / Domestic Servant.
Her father is listed as William McKie, Docker.

Stanley's death certificate shows as follows;

d2002 in University Hospital of North Tees, Stockton On-Tees (03rd March 2002)
Stroke & Alzheimers Disease

He died a widow (Rose had died in Feb 1979 - I have that cert too)

Apologies
My efforts have been on another thread recently..... just re-activating this one and picking it up again...... you beat me too it

Given that your other Shepherds are Guisborough, could this be him?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: James William Shepherd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: Guisborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 342

You've twice been given the link for FreeBMD so you could easily have found this.

Have you done anything about looking for info yourself?

Gavin, born where? What else do you know about him?

looking for information on James William Shepherd..b1860ish

I tend to go along with Ivy - here's our choice for 1881:


1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John HODGSON Head M Female 53 Roxby, York, England Gardener
Diana HODGSON Wife M Female 38 Loftus, York, England
Margaret J. HODGSON Daur Female 14 Roxby, York, England Scholar
John F. HODGSON Son Male 11 Roxby, York, England Scholar
Alice Ann HODGSON Daur Female 9 Easington, York, England Scholar
James W. HODGSON Son Male 6 Easington, York, England Scholar
Diana E. HODGSON Daur Female 4 Easington, York, England
Joseph H. HODGSON Son Male 1 Easington, York, England
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Source Information:
Census Place Easington In Guisbrough, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342166
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4839 / 39
Page Number 11
Registration district: Guisborough
Sub-registration district: Lofthouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 8


These look relevant to me:


Marriages Mar 1862 (>99%)
Adamson Margaret Whitby 9d 553
Goodwill John Whitby 9d 553
Hodgson John Whitby 9d 553
Tyerman Diana Whitby 9d 553



Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
HODGSON Thomas Tyerman Whitby 9d 416

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
HODGSON Margaret Jane Whitby 9d 406

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
Hodgson Diana Everil Guisborough 9d 472

Deaths Jun 1865 (>99%)
Hodgson Everel Whitby 9d 287
[John's mum, I think]

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Hodgson John 63 Guisbro' 9d 334

Actually, following mgnv's note regarding the local bmd (Tees Valley), I think I saw that both women married in 1884 - if you check for the two husbands, then it might be the case that the other one is resident in 1891 or later with an aged parent? Apologies, no time for me to look this evening.

Hi Gavin, just logging off when I saw your note.

The registration district boundaries and names are not always co-incident with the nearest large town (for instance Ecclesall Bierlow). Guisborough registration district covers a larger area than the town itself. Genuki (see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/guisborough.html) gives the sub-districts covered. The census entries will also specify the district and sub-districts, which is helpful when working from census to certificates. Both possible mothers' 1871 entries are located in the Guisborough registration district.

Thanks Ivy

Both James and John were married in Guisborough.... wondering if that could link them to the first Mary?

this is a tough one.... I agree the second one looks more likely but I will have to get the birth certs....

Ivy, that's great information thank you.

The two entries for 1871 are:

Margaret Hodgson d of Jonathan/Jane b abt 1867 in Gisborough, Yorkshire, England; living at Guisborough, Yorkshire

Margaret Jane Hodgson d of John/Dana b abt 1867 in Roxby, Yorkshire, England; living at Easington, Yorkshire

- the second does look more likely.

There is no obvious birth registration for Margaret Jane Hodgson; there are two entries for [edit: sorry, I meant 1881 census] for Margaret Hodgson born approx 1867 in the Guisborough area; one of these has middle initial letter J, born in Roxby rather than Scaling (the two places are a couple of miles apart). They are both tiny places now, when looking at them on Google maps - very different from Sheffield!

If these census entries for 1901 and 1891 are appropriate, then the following marriage and death certificates would assist:

1901:
Name: Margaret J Bales
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Bales
Gender: Female
Where born: Scaling, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Loftus
Ecclesiastical parish: Loftus St Leonard
Town: Loftus
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Guisborough
Sub-registration district: Loftus
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 4564
Folio: 49
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bales 26
Margaret J Bales 34
John R Shepherd 12
James E Shepherd 10

1891:
Name: Margaret Shepherd
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Where born: Scaling, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Easington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Easington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Guisborough
Sub-registration district: Loftus
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Piece: 3998
Folio: 48
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Shepherd 24 (Widow)
Lois M Shepherd 4
John R Shepherd 2
James E Shepherd 5/12

Marriages Dec 1884
HODGSON Margaret Jane Guisborough 9d 873
Shepherd James William Guisbro' 9d 873

Death:
James William Shepherd (born abt 1860) Jan-Feb-Mar 1891 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding

Ok

I now have sufficient for the Smiths line (Susan & Edith) who married in to the Shepherds..... James & John.

I now need the lines back from James Edwin Shepherd & John Robert Shepherd (mother & Father)