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Thank you Dea

I really do apprciate it

Danny

Hi Guys

Sorry its been so long. I have loads more info now but have started a knew thread at a bit of a stumbling block. Hope you are all well. Thank you so much to all.

By the way I have passed on info about my grandma and her death to all and it was all well recieved and appreciated.

Thank you all for helping me find it.

Best wishs Danny

Hi All

I have got a fair distance with my Kirkham family now. I am onto my great great grandparents marraige cert now.

I am having a bit of troube tracking down my Great Grandmas details.

Her name is Annie Wheeler and she married Richard Kirkham.

The Marraoge cert says her dads name is Edward Wheeler.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Regards

Danny

for ref

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
KIRKHAM Richard WHEELER Annie Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/106/105

Possible for Annie with father Edward:


WHEELER, Edward C Head Widower M 50 1831 Surveyor Lloyds Shipping Torpoint Cornwall

WHEELER, Annie T Daughter Single F 24 1857 Torpoint Cornwall

WHEELER, Mary E Daughter Single F 20 1861 Music Teacher Cheshire

WHEELER, Edward C Son Single M 16 1865 Apprentice Engine Fitter
Tranmere Cheshire

WHEELER, Florence F Daughter Single F 15 1866 Scholar Tranmere
Cheshire

WHEELER, Edith M Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar Tranmere
Cheshire

HAMLET, Ann Elizth Servant Single F 22 1859 Genl Serv Lpool
Lancashire

Piece: 3584 Folio: 3 Page: 2

Registration District: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Tranmere

Address:
32, Chestnut Grove, Tranmere

Does the profession match that of Edward on Annies marriage cert?

In 1871 census the above family are in Birkenhead and the wife of Edward is listed as Ann, which ties in with this marriage, if Edward Wheeler married Ann Rowe:

Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
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BATE George St Germans 5c 69
MILLS Sarah Ann St Germans 5c 69
ROWE Ann Theresa St Germans 5c 69
WHEELER Edward Cole St Germans 5c 69

Baptism at Torpoint
Annie Theresa Wheeler 22nd February 1857
Parents: Edward Cole and Ann Theresa (ties in with the St German's marriage)
Edward was a shipwright.

Anne

From http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org

More information about record 1687462 in the Baptisms database
Day Month 13-Jun
Year 1830
Parish Or Reg District Torpoint
Forename Edward Cole
Surname WHEELER
Sex
Father Forename Thomas
Mother Forename Emma Anne
Residence Torpoint
Father Rank Profession Shipwright Dockyard
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Fred Hancock

Thank you all very much for the help I had noticed the cornwall connection but it all seemed a bit random to me. I have been dealing in Lancashire alone for so long now.

I did think Annie Wheeler was from warwickshire but her dads name was charles, I wonder is there a chance Edward was a second name or charles was maybe.

I will scan the cert in for you to see.

Danny

Hi All

Sorry I have been away for so long but I have been busy with another addition to the family tree as my wife and I had a little boy but I have lots of knew info and certs to share with you all I will post soon.

Thank you to everyone for all your help so far.

Danny

congratulations Daniel to you and your family.

They do tend to take up a fair bit of your time but well worth it

Congratulations Danny (and wife - the one who did all the hard work !! <3) :-D

Hope little son is thriving and happy !

Nice to see you back - let us know what else you need when you are ready .

Dea Xxx

Thanks a million guys. I would like to think I have been a very supportive husband but Dea yes of course the hard work was done by my wonderful wife. Am I allowed to tell you his name on the forum?

Well wouldn't ya know it I went in to register his birth today and I got 2 certs in the post also.

Its amazing how much more detail there is on a cert these days and ironic that we probably won't need as much in the future.

I was wondering could anyone help me with a problem. I have met a complete block at one great grandparent. Robert Cartmell married to Elizabeth McCarthy ( I will try to send you the marraige cert ) the Mar Cert is from 1920 and it states that Roberts Dad was named George and that he was deceased.

I have recieved 1 birth cert for robert going pretty much on that it was the only date that matched. As the marraige was in Nov 1920 I thikn that means if he was 29 then that he would be born between Nov 1890 and Nov 1891. Therefore I sent off for it but the fathers name on the cert is Thomas which does not match.

The Vol 08e and the Page 726 for the 'incorrect' cert.

If anyone can shed any light on this I would be very grateful.

Thanks for the help as always.

Hope ye are all keeping well.

Danny

Hi Danny,

I have been working on this but am just not finding anything useful for you at the moment :-(

Having grandchildren quite a lot at the moment because of family illness but will have a further look tomorrow.

Do you have any other info at all on Robert ??

Dea Xxx

P.S. - You have given your new little son a lovely name! :-D

Dea Xxx

Dea you are the best. I appreciate your efforts so much. I hope everything will be ok for you.

Please don't bother with it when you don't have the time though.

Thanks so much again

Danny :-)

sorry Danny, been out tonight, will look in tomorrow

No Rush at all Ann

Thank you very much

Talk Soon

the only thing I can think of is that Robert was registered with a different surname. Cartmell is very much a surname of the Blackpool and Fylde areas (only 3 out of the 9 registered between 1888 & 1895 were not born in Fylde.

I suppose it is possible that he moved from Lancs to Derbyshire.

Yes - That is all I can think of too Ann - I have been looking for other possible Roberts but nothing is fitting just at the moment.

I'll keep at it!

I keep trying to make this one fit:

Marriage: 2 Aug 1877 St Cuthbert, Lytham, Lancashire, England
George Cartmell - 22 Labourer Bachelor of Cross Slack nr. Lytham
Elizabeth Cardwell - 22 Spinster of Cross Slack nr. Lytham
Groom's Father: George Cartmell, Fisherman
Bride's Father: John Cardwell, Farmer
Witness: Hugh Cartmell; Jane Cardwell
Married by Banns by: H. B. Hawkins
Register: Marriages 1896 - 1900, Page 36, Entry 72
Source: LSD Film 1470929

This marriage produced a Robert but I can't find him with them on census's ??

Births 1889:
CARTMELL Robert Poulton-le-Fylde Blackpool CARDWELL PLF/56/44

(I think he was registered in Dec. quarter?
Cartmell Robert Fylde 8e 673 )

Dea x

Possible death ?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Robert Cartmell Name: Robert Cartmell
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1889
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1971
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Fylde
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 719


There is this birth ??

Births Sep 1889
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Cardwell Robert Fylde 8e 733


But if George married Elizabeth in 1877 (details above), WHY would he be registered in her maiden name??

Doesn't make sense :-(

I think it is a 'red herring' but thought I would post details though as I have to go to get grandchildren very soon and won't be able to follow up until later.

Dea x

EDIT - I think I have disproved this birth - he appears to be the son of a Robert & Mary?

Dea x