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Merry Christmas to you too, Derek :-)

Thanks for letting us know and do come back if we can help further.

I owe a great vote of thanks to all those who worked so hard for me on this enquiry...Brilliant contributions from Robin 7..Glitter Baby...Margee..Marie Celeste ..Mgnv and SylviainCannada.......

I think the saga has pretty well come to an end due to the resrictions imposed by the 100 year freeze on Canadian records....

However, one bewildering question had been answered....that of MARY JANE BLASHILL.....the parents that I originally found, then rejected, turned out to be correct.

It is after all quite simple..I now have the marriage certificates for both Mary Janes...........It turns out that "my" Mary jane was the daughter (1868) of Samuel and Jane.....married 06.05.1899..and the other..daughter of George and Catherine..married 05 11.1895.....

Samuel and George were indeed brothers and chose to name their daughters identically..and it all adds up in the end..

Many many thanks to all of you ,and very best wishes for Christmas and the New year.

Derek.

Hi Derek


Some other suggestions for you:-

if there are sons of an age to have been in a war, the Last Post is a good place to check:-

http://www.legionmagazine.com/en/lastpost/

There are several William Gilchrists -- Parry Sound might not be too far off for Penetanguishene. One has a birth date of ca 1924, there's another in Ontario c1919.

If you know middle initials, that would help a lot.

There's also one William at the virtual war memorial (one of the ones with no personal information, wouldn't you know):

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/virtualmem


How about just write to Gilchrists in Napanee? Only four!

http://www.canada411.ca/search/?stype=si&what=gilchrist&where=napanee+on




sylvia

Ste Marie Among The Hurons was abt midway between Penetang & Coldwater.
It was an early 17th cent jesuit mission, and the first European settlement in the N American interior.
There's a modern reconstruction on-site. The nearby Wye Marsh nature reserve is also an interesting place to visit.

If there's lots of Gilchrists around, then it's probable some are family, maybe a bit distant.

Drill down at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html

especially to the census links page:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

Since there's more than 500 Gilchrists in Ontario in 1911, the best way to search on AG is:
Click on 1911 at top right, then Ontario, then Simcoe East or North or South, then G,
and check Gelchrist, Gilchrist, Gilcrist etc.

There's 1880ish concession maps for the various townships via:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php

Penetang was spread across the boundary of Tiny & Tay Twps, at the NW corner of Tay.
Coldwater was in Medonte Twp, near the SE corner of Tay Twp

Drilling down on BMDs tells you that there's (supposedly) a 100y closure on births - but it looks like there's a couple of years leeway in practice.

Hey Margee you're a superstar to me...particularly the way you keep going..somewhere in Simcoe County there is a Gilchrist just longing to be found and given a wonderful Gilchrist Family tree that goes back to 1741 to Scotland!!......ha ha....

Well, shoot! I'm not Superstar Margee after all. I should have noticed the dates there. My, there are a lot of Gilchrists in Simcoe County!

Margee..sorry ..neither of these is right.....Roland didn't marry Ellen Lye till 07.02.1912...........The children are Ada..Fredercik..Grace William

If this is your Gladys with MMN spelled wrong, who's the second one then?

043339-07 (Simcoe Co) GILCHRIST, Gladys Jean, f, b. July 25, 1906, father - Ronald GILCHRIST, farmer; mother - Emile E. DAY, infm - Dr. Victor Ross, Oro Twp

041557-04 (Simcoe Co) GILCHRIST, Gordon Douglas Stewart, m, Jan. 14, 1904, father - Ronald Gilchrist, farmer; mother - Amelia E. DAY, infm - Dr. W.A. Ross, Oro Twp

I tried to google Frederick's death to see if there was an obit. All I got were references to a M. C. Beaton book, one of the Hamish Macbeth mysteries, "Death of a Dentist". Evidently the dentist's name was Frederick Gilchrist. I've probably read the book, think I've read all of them in our library.

Hello again superstar Margee........no I don'y have anything on the children..and your contribution is priceless......Certainly looks like you,ve got Fred sorted!!

Thanks in abundance

Derek.

Fred's death? Birthdate is same.

Social Security Death Index
about Frederick J. Gilchrist Name: Frederick J. Gilchrist
SSN: 056-30-3747
Last Residence: 953 (U.S. Consulate), Canada
Born: 3 Sep 1913
Died: 15 Apr 1999
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1953-1955)

This looks like the same Frederick:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Frederick J Gilchrist Name: Frederick J Gilchrist
Arrival Date: 24 Feb 1943
Birth Year: abt 1914
Birth Location: Canada
Birth Location Other: colddater
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Airline: Pan American Airways

He was heading to Hotel Pennsylvania, New York, in transit to final destination 1700 Sun Life Building, Montreal, Quebec. He had been in Virgin Islands before from June 1941 to July 1942. He was a crane operator.

Not sure if you have the births of the children, Derek?

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913
about Frederick James Gilchrist Name: Frederick James Gilchrist
Date of Birth: 3 Sep 1913
Gender: Male
Birth County or District: Simcoe
Father's Name: Roland Gilchrist
Mother's Name: Ellen Helena Lye

Original gives birthplace Main St., Coldwater.

Mgnv......your information is absolute Gold dust!!....I can'y thank you enough..I could not have expected such terrific stuff..such is the quality of your work and your willingness to delve for me..I surrender to the temptation to ask , like Oliver Twist. for more.

Since, in genealogical terms my relationship to William Gilchrist and his son Roland is quite close....William was my Grandfather's brother....could you possibly point me in the right direction towards finding details of the four children of Roland Gilchrist......Ada..Fred..Grace..William.....ideally 'twould be great tp get to living relatives, but I don't expect miracles...

I have sent for the relevant documents to sort out once and for all the parentage of mary Jane Blashill!!

Thanks again

Derek.

Odds & ends

From 1861 thru 1901, the Canadian census nominal date was either the same as the UK or the day after. In 1911 it was a couple of months after (1/6/1911). There is enough time to appear on both censuses - not that this is anything but a rare happening.

As MJ died 1951 in Ontario, that's a bit of a problem. Although deaths in Ontario aren't closed (so anyone can buy a d.cert), there is no index published for 70 y. It costs (I think) $15 to have them search 5y to locate the entry, then you can buy the d.cert (for $25 I think).

It's not unusual for a family with no rellies in Canada to have the hubby or maybe an adult son go out first to get things sorted, like jobs, accommodation, etc., then for the rest of the family to come out a year or so later. Happened maybe 30% of time back then is my guess.

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http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php

Name Cemetery County Township Reference
GILCHRIST, Mary Jane (Blashill) Penetanguishene First Presbyterian Simcoe Tiny SM-TI-3597
GILCHRIST, William (h/o Mary Jane Blashill) Penetanguishene First Presbyterian Simcoe Tiny SM-TI-3597
GILCHRIST, Roland Coldwater Simcoe Medonte SM-ME-6936
GILCHRIST, Ellen Coldwater Simcoe Medonte SM-ME-6936
For REFERENCE FIELD numbers beginning with "SM-", write to...

Simcoe County Branch, OGS
P.O. Box 892
Barrie, Ontario, Canada.
L4M 4Y6
http://www.simcoebogs.com/
especially http://www.simcoebogs.com/Publications/pu_cemetery.htm
or http://www.simcoebogs.com/About/ab_membership.htm

http://www.pencenmuseum.com/cemetery-database/
Name Gravestone Inscription Picture Plot Location
GILCHRIST, William (?) WILLIAM GILCHRIST 1861-1920 (?) HIS WIFE MARY JANE BLASHILL 1888-1951 ER14PW ER14PW
BLASHILL, Mary Jane ER14PW ER14PW
[There's a link to a pic of the gravestone]
LOCATION:
Street Address:
City:
Lot/Concession:
Township: Tiny Township
County/District: Simcoe County
Municipality: Township of Tiny
Province: ON
GPS:
[I gues from the (?)s, the stone is somewhat weathered, and so 1888=1868 probably]


LOCATION:
Street Address: Craddock Street north of Harriet Street
City: Coldwater
Lot/Concession: Concession 12, Lot 23
Township: Medonte Township
County/District: Simcoe County
Municipality: Township of Severn
Province: ON
GPS: 44.712518,-79.64246

MarieC - thanks for 1851


Using http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1865
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BLASHILL George PURDON Catherine Hull Register Offices Hull HRO/9/159

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BLASHILL Mary J SLINGSBY Thomas A Sculcoates Register Offices Hull SRO/49/70
BLASHILL William H TAYLOR Alice E Sculcoates Register Offices Hull SRO/49/11

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BLASHILL Mary J GILCHRIST William Hull Register Offices Hull HRO/43/73

[Pre-1898, the registrar's own register wasn't limited to rego office marrs, but would include non-conformist marrs that the regitrar had to attend.
Post-1898, the law was changed, and after a couple of years to set stuff up, it was mostly just RC marrs that the registrar had to attend (thru 1980ish)]


Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1863
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
BLASHILL Rachel F 0 Sutton Hull SUT/10/172
BLASHILL Rachel 26 Sutton Hull SUT/10/159


Unfortunately, there's no mum's MS shown for Sutton subdistrict yet - e.g.:
Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BLASHILL Hudson Sutton Hull SUT/2/11
(The mum's MS is on some subdistricts e.g., Doncaster, Oldham & Wakefield (etc?)]

I've added the GRO ref in ():
Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1868
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BLASHILL Mary J Sutton Hull SUT/18/338 (1868q1 Sculcoates 9d 118)
BLASHILL Mary Jane Myton Hull MYT/69/395 (1868q1 Hull 9d 231)

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BLASHILL Mary J Drypool Hull DRY/18/290 (1872q3 Sculcoates 9d 154)

I've added the 1872 MJ, as she's old enough to be wedding guys by the 1890s

Scotch o clock!!..sorry to be so predictable......tell me about your picture....

Yes Derek, I think it's wine o'clock ;-)

Just to clarify, that baptism I posted with Samuel as father, that's not a submitted record, it's a proper extracted parish record (although the later marriage IS submitted).

Don't think I haven't heard that one before!!

Yep..their parents were Henry and Mary..I think I ruled out Samuel and Jane becasue of my inherent mistrust of IGI submitted posts....any way..I'll post my Apps for Marriage certs tomorrow..and let you know!! in the meantime have a large drink of what you like best..I am!! can't resist this one......like the original Marie Celeste i am at the moment lost in mid Atlantic somewhere!!

Derek

We must be cross posting!

If they were brothers then that might explain why they named their daughters the same.

EDIT: Just noticed on the 1851 that their mother was called Mary, so that may have been what inspired them.