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Help Where Do I Go From Here?? UPDATED AGAIN

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patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 08:42

Rose,
The difference in birth dates and registrations is part of the original problem, surely.
A birth in February need not show until June.
If it was registered in March according to the small certificate then it does not show, so why not?
How can the big certificate have a different date?
Error somewhere, but where?
Where has the 'error' with the name Whitley come from?
Someone is making mistakes, who?

Flick

Flick Report 8 Dec 2011 09:38

Why wouldn't the father have given the mother's first name when he registered Lily's birth? It doesn't make any sort of sense.

To me, the only feasible explanation would be that they were not husband and wife, and he actually had a wife elsewhere

Can you give us the PRECISE wording from each column of the full cert..........and the same for the short cert............

Flick

Flick Report 8 Dec 2011 09:49

There is only one other birth for Boswell/Whitley on freebmd............in Flintshire

So any 'sibling' would have been born pre-1911, or have had a different surname at birth

Flick

Flick Report 8 Dec 2011 10:04

A further 'birth date'..........only as known to the informant, of course.

Name: Lilian Jenny Thompson
Birth Date: 15 Feb 1919
Date of Registration: Feb 2001
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Tower Hamlets
Inferred County: London
Register number: C37
District and Subdistrict: 2461C
Entry number: 17

Kim

Kim Report 9 Dec 2011 15:21

UPDATE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UPDATE

Spoke to Tower Hamlets Register Office as per advice on here and the first person was completely unhelpful so rang back again and got someone that was amazing! How can two so different people work together, unbelievable.

Anyhow after checking the records the lady told me that the large certificate I have is completely wrong and has asked me to send it to them and they will then send me the correct one. As I still had the order sheet from the GRO she said someone's head will definitely be on the chopping block lol, although I have had that cert since 2006 so they could no longer work there especially if all there work was that awful.

The only details she would give me as I have not paid anything is that mother's maiden name was definitely WHITLEY and she was born on 19 February 1919.

The lady kindly offered to look for the other daughter even though I told her I don't know when she was born or what her real name was.

Flick those details above are definitely the right person.

Will update again once I get the new certificate.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 9 Dec 2011 19:47

Who were the witnesses to Lily's marriage?

Rose

Kim

Kim Report 9 Dec 2011 20:53

The witnesses were Jack BOSWELL and John ASHWORTH (I think that is what the second one says).

Potty

Potty Report 10 Dec 2011 11:32

Kim, maybe we could go backwards with "Ginny"? Does the memorial card your aunt has have a date of death and was Ginny married or did she die as a Boswell?

Kim

Kim Report 14 Dec 2011 12:47

Right spoke to my mother in law and asked if she remembered her mother in law's parents and she said they were never spoken of and a bit of a taboo subject so this could explain the lack of a marriage.

However she did not know the sister's real name but knew her married name was BUTCHER and she died 2006 in Maldon, Essex.

Any further help greatly appreciated to sort this out.

Still waiting on the new birth cert for Lily to arrive.

Kim

Kim Report 14 Dec 2011 12:50

Just found the marriage on FreeBMD

Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Boswell Mary J Butcher Stepney 1c 569
Butcher Alfred Boswell Stepney 1c 569

So now I need a birth for her please

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Dec 2011 13:06

Fortunately 2006 deaths are on FMP
Name: BUTCHER, Mary Jane
Registration District: Chelmsford
County: Essex
Year of Registration: 2006
Month of Registration: September
Date of Birth: 1 April 1922
District No: 4681D
Reg No: D12G
Ent No: 027
DOR: 906

Helen

Helen Report 14 Dec 2011 13:07

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Mary J Boswell
Name: Mary J Boswell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Fuller
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1922
Registration district: Mile End
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 604 (click to see others on page)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Dec 2011 13:08

MMN isnt Whitley on her record
Name: BOSWELL, Mary J
Registration District: Mile End Old Town
County: London
Year of Registration: 1922
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Fuller
Volume No: 1C
Page No: 604

Helen

Helen Report 14 Dec 2011 13:09

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Rosetta Boswell
Name: Rosetta Boswell
Mother's Maiden Name: Fuller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 804 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Jack Boswell
Name: Jack Boswell
Mother's Maiden Name: Fuller
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1915
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 763 (click to see others on page)

Also these births

Kim

Kim Report 14 Dec 2011 13:14

Well that was the only Mary J I could find too but from what I am told there was only the two daughters in the family.

Umm I am not sure what to think now, now why one have mothers maiden name WHITLEY and the other FULLER when Lily was born the third child of these if it is right.

Helen

Helen Report 14 Dec 2011 13:17

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Rosetta Boswell
Name: Rosetta Boswell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1914
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 549 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Jack Boswell
Name: Jack Boswell
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1919
Age at Death: 4
Registration district: Whitechapel
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 199

Possible deaths

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Dec 2011 13:20

Perhaps Lilian wasnt the daughter of Rosetta that's why mmn is Whitley. and her dad only names mum as Mrs Boswell.
Maybe he had parted from Rosetta and had Lilian with another lady and tried to cover it up when registering lilian's birth.

Could also explain the late registration.

Kim

Kim Report 14 Dec 2011 13:28

Shirley the Mrs Boswell part is incorrect, the certificate has been confirmed as being completely wrong by Tower Hamlets Register Office I am awaiting the new one.

The only details they would give me over the phone was that mother's maiden name was definitely WHITLEY.

I am guessing this all has something to do with why the subject was taboo and that is why Lily and her sister never saw or spoke to the parents.

Helen

Helen Report 14 Dec 2011 13:31

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Ernest N Boswell
Name: Ernest N Boswell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Fuller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: Mile End
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 728 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about John J Boswell
Name: John J Boswell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Fuller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924
Registration district: Mile End
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 491 (click to see others on page)

Looks like these also died young

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Dec 2011 13:32

I thought it was just the birth date that was incorrect on the cert.

When the new cert comes it hopefully will shed some light . :-D