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The records seem to be confusing! The 1881 census shows John Haigh b1847 married (possibly in 1874?) to an Elizabeth b1841, with Eliz b1877, Arthur b1879 and Ben b1881. Living at 67 East St, Lindley Cum Quanrnby.
In the 1891 census John seems to have married Ellen Iredale b1851, in 1875, but shows her as a widow with the same children living at 48 East St, Lindley With Quarmby!
I have the birth certificate for Benjamin showing Ellen Iredale as the mother.
Did he marry Elizabeth and she died early without producing any children? Did the "scribe" write Eliz in the 1881 census instead of Ellen?
Could someone please help with their opinion?

Thankyou, Terence.

If the birthdates are 10 years apart, I can't see it being the same lady

Hi Terence

Are you sure you have the right birth cert. for your Ben / Benjamin ? there are a few born around that time that "could be" his.

Which one have you got ? ( these look like the most possible)

Births Mar 1880

Haigh Benjamin Huddersfield 9a 347

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Births Dec 1880

HAIGH Benjamin Huddersfield 9a 378

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Births Jun 1881

Haigh Ben Huddersfield 9a 325
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For info only
( On the image in Ancestry the age of Eliz. looks like 30 years not 40 ? )

Her name does look like Eliz, on 1881 census ---but Ellen on 1891 and 1901 census. It looks to me as if Eliz. and Ellen are the same person.

1881 census----

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Jno. HAIGH Head M Male 34 Stainland, York, England Finisher (W)
Eliz. HAIGH Wfe M Female 40 Elland, York, England Finisher Wife (Looks like age 30 on the image)
Eliz. HAIGH Dau U Female 4 Lindley, York, England Scholar
Arthur HAIGH Son U Male 2 Lindley, York, England
Ben HAIGH Son U Male 5 m Lindley, York, England

Source Information:
Dwelling East 67 St (this should say 67 East Street)
Census Place Lindley Cum Quarmby, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342049
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4392 / 19
Page Number 31



Barbara x

Hi Barbara, also Mike.
The correct one for Benjamin Haigh is 9a 378, as his birth certificate shows him born 10/10/1880. The mother's maiden name shown is Ellen Iredale.
We have a marriage for an Elizabeth Ann Pogson OND 1874 Huddersfield 9a 601. There is a death for an Elizabeth Haigh OND 1874 (age 24, born 1850). 9a 237. Was she pregnant and died at childbirth (the child as well)? That means he may have married Ellen within, at most, six months!!! We would think unlikley.

The other strange thing is the two census' (1881 & 1891) show the two women at different addresses in the same street!!!
Perhaps it is the same person and she moved her address (in the same street) after John Haigh died?

But we are sure that the right marriage is to Ellen Iredale JFM 1875 Huddersfield 9a 494, with the first child, "Eliz" born in 1877. Perhaps we should get that birth certificate?

Terence.

hi Terence

I would send for John and Ellens marriage cert ---you already have Benjamins birth cert, which you are sure is the correct one for "your Benjamin" which shows Ellen and John as his parents

If you send for Marriage cert. this will / should show if John was married before his marriage to Ellen.

IF he had been married before, then you can think about getting Eliz. (Elizabeth) birth cert to see who her mum was ?

Did Ben get married-and if so have you got his marriage cert ? (for age, occ. name and occ of father (does it say deceased) and wittness' )

Barbara x

Thanks Barbara, will order marriage cert. It may take a couple of weeks as we are in South Australia. We will get back to you then or sooner if anything else is uncovered.

We think we have pinned down John Haigh's death (who seems to have a middle name of William, going back through census' of his parents etc) to two possibles. JFM 1875 Huddersfield. 9a 494. Or JFM 1891 Huddersfield. 9a 250.

Thanks for your thoughs and help Barbara.

Terence.

1891

Name: Benjamin Haigh
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ellen Haigh
Gender: Male
Where born: Lindley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Lindley With Quarmby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens
Town: Lindley With Quarmby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:48 East St.

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Golcar
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3579
Folio: 92
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Haigh 40 -c1851Elland, Yorkshire, England-Widow
Elizabeth Haigh 14 -1877Lindley With Quarmby
Arthur Haigh 12 -c1879Lindley With Quarmby
Benjamin Haigh 10

If the 1881 Census wa thte first as man and wife,some never filled it in.

Ellieathome

Name: John Haigh
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1875
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 494

Name: John Haigh
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1875
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 494

?Name: John Haigh
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 250 (click to see others on page)

This seems more likely as no issue after Benjamin



Name: John Haigh
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1885
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 252 (click to see others on page)

You are welcome Terence,

When looking for a birth for John ----Stainland came under the Halifax district

I think the March 1891 death would be the right one---can't be sure though as there are so many John Haighs. (Not sure on William being his 2nd name though ? )

Lets see who his fathers name and occ. is in the Marriage cert and wittness' see if that helps us.

Barbara x

Thanks again Barbara, also "ellieathome". I got the middle name of William from the 1861 census transcription shown as "Haigh, John Wm".
Strangely, he is shown as "Haigh, William" (not John) in the 1851 census transcription. On that census, could John's 1817 father's wife Martha 1818 be the daughter of David 1783 and Hannah1786 Armitage?
As you say Barbara, with so many John Haigh's it is very difficult to get the right one.

Bye for now, Terence.

Terence, the 1861 census I am looking at shows John Haigh, son of Abraham but there is no William mentioned. Living at Westgate, lindley cum Quarmby which is the former name of West Street, very close to the later address of East Street. There is a family of Iredales living next door but one. I have found Ellen Iredale on the 1851 daughter of Benjamin born at Elland which is next door to Stainland.-jl

1871 Ellen Iredale born @ 1851
Golcar Lindley D23 > 17

1871 Golcar Lindley D21 > 9
Abraham Haigh 1820
Ellen 1820
John Haigh 1847

1881 No John Haigh with Abraham and Ellen.

Maryb.

Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Iredale Ellen Huddersfield 22 338

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Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Iredale Ellen Halifax 22 222

here are

The census in 1851 shows Ellen Iredale with father Benjamin but there is a death of a Benjamin Iredale in Halifax in Dec qtr 1851, followed by a marriage of a Hannah Maria Iredale( the mother) in Halifax Mar 1853. -jl

Hannah Maria Iredale married Enos Craven and Ellen is living with them aged 20 at Lindley but I can't find them on the 1861.

( have to go out but will look at this again at a later time)-jl

Hi .
I have found this on Family Search .John Haigh born 1847 Stainland ,wife Eliza 1847 ,children Alice 1869,Elizabeth 1873/ Benjamin 1879 ,This family lived at Scapegoat Hill Golcar .
now this is another family =John Haigh born Stainland 1847 ,wife Eliz 1841 from Elland daughter Eliza1877/Arthur 1879 /Ben 1880 all born Lindley ,they lived 67 East Street Lindley cum Quarmby .
Hope this help you .
Regards .
Eileen