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Good morning, Dea....and goodbye on this one.

I wish you luck!

Ronald - Could you please tells us what certs you have and what info is on them?

We REALLY need this info if we are to get any further with this.

Thanks,

Dea x

P.S. - Good morning Reggie !

Dea x

I give up

Dea thanks for your patience .
if i am correct mr oswald changed his name for some reason .
the address of his abode seems to confiurm this
ronnie :-D

Any chance of an answer to my questions about what paperwork you have - if any?

What certs do you have please?

Dea x

I note that you have Gertrude's father as Michael but I believe this to be her on 1911 and it doesn't quite fit ??

OSWALD, Walter Head Married M 41 1870 Fire Beater Lancashire Manchester VIEW
OSWALD, Margaret Wife Married 18 years F 35 1876 Home Lancashire Blackburn VIEW
OSWALD, Walter Son Single M 18 1893 Apprentice To Core Making Lancashire Blackburn VIEW
OSWALD, Gertrude Daughter Single F 14 1897 Weavers Tenter Lancashire Hollingworth Lake VIEW
OSWALD, John Son Single M 11 1900 School Lancashire Rochdale VIEW
OSWALD, William H Son Single M 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Home Lancashire Rochdale VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24640 Reference:
RG14PN24640 RG78PN1413 RD470 SD4 ED6 SN36

Registration District:
Rochdale Sub District:
Spotland and Norden Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Rochdale

Address:
17 Holland St Rochdale County:
Lancashire

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Do you have any thoughts??

I do note though that the marriage you have for Michael does seem to fit::

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

OSWALD Michael Martin GRIFFITH Margaret Almond Blackburn, Holy Trinity Blackburn Blackburn CE5/2/265

Dea x

Sorry to hear that Ronald.

This IS extremely complicated isn't it ??

Was he brought up by Gertrude? - Was there a 'father figure' around at all ?

Dea x

hi dea and Reggie
dad is still alive but is in a home with dementia, he remembers sheffield including the schools his three sisters went.
florence was a walters mmn oswald annie o barnes mmn oswald margret barnes mmn parker john harry barnes mmnparker.

Ronnie.

Can we start with your father and work back please - ignoring what you have found and just working on the facts that you 'know'.

Who was he brought up with as a child and who were his brothers and sisters etc. ?

I believe he is still 'with us' ? Could you give us ONLY the details that he remembers please and NOT those that you have since found.

Thanks,

Dea x

This one? With a different MMN..............

Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Barnes Annie O Oswald Sheffield 9c 1068


As you say, Dea, very confusing.

Ronald

Do you have ANY paperwork ,or are you working only from what you have 'heard'?

Reggie - she died as 'Walters' !!!

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1961
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
WALTERS Gertrude 64 Heywood Rochdale H/13/53

Annie was born in Sheffield in 1924 - sister to John!

Dea x

This is extremely confusing Reggie :-(

I have found SO much info but none of it adds up.

Dea x

You say 'gran Oswald' died during the month in which you were born.

When was that?

Thanks Dea

As Alethea re-married as Barnes, the assumption must be that she was divorced from Harry Barnes, unless he died before 1959.

When DID he die?

Who is the Aunt Ann to whom you refer?

This is them Reggie:

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Charles Bower Name: Charles Bower
Spouse: Althea M Barnes
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1959
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 322

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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Alethea M Bower Name: Alethea M Bower
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1968
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 129


Dea x

To whom was Alathea married in the 1950's?

I can't understand why your father's birth shows MMN PARKER.

Do you actually have possession of the cert? If not, you need it.

But were Grandad Harry Barnes and Gertrude Oswald both named as parents on the birth certs of your father and your aunt or were they just on your aunt's and Alithea on your father's ?

Dea x

unsure Dea
from what little i was told growing up i would say no.
i did not know any of my grandmas gran oswald died the month i was born.
its a mess.
ronnie