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Two further Pattie children

AGNES PATIE

Birth:
22 JUN 1815
Christening:
15 OCT 1815 Ferry Port On Craig, Fife, Scotland

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM PATIE
Mother: ISABEL SIMSON



JOHN PATIE

Birth:
19 JUN 1824
Christening:
21 JUN 1824 Ferry Port On Craig, Fife, Scotland

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM PATIE
Mother: ISOBELLA SIMPSON

Just to say a thank you to the GR community (again). I have a lot of this information - more than I realised because I have obviously not updated my GR tree with information in my Ancestry tree (memo to self - bad girl!!). But there are a few things I didn't have and it seems that my research is fairly sound (having been confirmed by these posts) especially in the seemingly odd fact that my great grandmother was indeed an only child!

Thanks

Jude

Nudged with a question updated in original post

1841

PATTIE, William M 20 1821 VIEW (Stone miner) not born in County
PATTIE, Cathrine F 20 1821 Northumberland VIEW
PATTIE, Margaret F 2 1839 Northumberland VIEW
PATTIE, Jane F 0 (3 weeks) 1841 Northumberland VIEW
PATTIE, James M 20 1821 VIEW

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Piece:
833 Book/Folio:
11/13 Page:
18 Registration District:
Glendale

Civil Parish:
Lowick Municipal Borough:
Address:
Licker, Lowick County:
Northumberland

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Pattie
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: Apr 1854 FERRY PORT ON CRAIG,?FIFE,?SCOTLAND
death: 07 Apr 1854
residence: 1854 Fife,? Scotland
parents: William Pattie


name: Pattie
gender: Male
birth date: Apr 1854
birthplace: FERRY PORT ON CRAIG,FIFE,SCOTLAND
death date: 07 Apr 1854
father's name: William Pattie
indexing project (batch) number: C11429-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: unknown

Choccy thanks.

The 1841 Northumberland is probably not my William unless he was married before!

Yes I'd seen that birth. I kind of wondered but decided as Elizabeth's birth shows both parents that this may not be same William. Pattie is an extremely common name in Scotland (none more so than my ancestors bred like rabbits!!

Can someone check out the 1851 census (below) - I am interested to know the relatiuonship between William (head) and the young William and Isabella


Name:William Patie
Age:59
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1792
Relationship:Head
Spouse's Name:Isabella Patie
Gender:Male
Where born:Ferry Port Craig, Fifeshire
Parish Number:429
Civil parish:Ferry Port On Craig
Town:Ferry Port On Craig
County:Fife
Occupation:Seaman
ED:1
Page:44 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number:217
Line:8
Roll:CSSCT1851_89
Household Members:
William Patie 59
Isabella Patie 57
Isabella Patie 34
Stewart Patie 20
Robert Patie 18
William Patie 9
Isabella Patie 6

Nudged with new request

1851

PATIE, William Head Married M 59 1792 Seaman
Ferry Port Craig
Fifeshire N/A
PATIE, Isabella Wife Married F 57 1794
Leuchars
Fifeshire N/A
PATIE, Isabella Daughter Widow F 34 1817
Ferry Port Craig
Fifeshire N/A
PATIE, Stewart Daughter Unmarried F 20 1831
Ferry Port Craig
Fifeshire N/A
PATIE, Robert Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Seaman
Ferry Port Craig
Fifeshire N/A
PATIE, William Grand Son Unmarried M 9 1842
Ferry Port Craig
Fifeshire N/A
PATIE, Isabella Grand Son Unmarried F 6 1845
Ferry Port Craig
Fifeshire N/A

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Piece:
429 Folio:
41 Page:
44 Registration District:
Cupar

Civil Parish:
Ferry Port on Craig Municipal Borough:
Address:
Ferry Port On Craig County:
Fife

Possible birth??

name: William Simpson Or Pattie
gender: Male
birth date: 07 Mar 1842
birthplace: FERRY PORT ON CRAIG,FIFE,SCOTLAND
father's name: Simpson
mother's name: Isabella Pattie
indexing project (batch) number: C11429-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: unknown

Yes Alviegal I found this. But it shows William and Isabella as his parents - not grandparents as the census says.This is what I think...

PATIE, Isabella Daughter Widow F 34 1817 Ferry Port Craig Fifeshire N/A
This is the daughter of William and Isabella. I have her in my tree as married to John Harley 1822 to 1851 (which fits with her being a widow).

But I can't find a marriage.

I have children Isabella Harley 1845 (fits with Isabella aged 6 in the census) and Henry Harley 1848 - 1851 (which fits with him not being there).

But I can't find their births or Henry's death.

I have searched under Harley and Pattie.

Isabella (1845) married John Mcclaren in December 1868 but I have no proof of this marriage.

So were they ever Harley's or did Isabella (1817) not actually marry which would explain why she is reverted to Pattie in 1851. Or was it an error?

:-S

P.S. TOO many Isabella's!!

I have pasted the latest questions opened up by this thread into the original post.

Jude

Their births are on familysearch.

name: Isabella Harley
gender: Female
birth date: 22 Nov 1845
birthplace: FERRY PORT ON CRAIG,FIFE,SCOTLAND
father's name: John Harley
mother's name: Isabella Pattie
indexing project (batch) number: C11429-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: unknown


name: Henry Harley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 30 Apr 1848
baptism/christening place: FERRY PORT ON CRAIG,FIFE,SCOTLAND
birth date: 11 Apr 1848
father's name: John Harley
mother's name: Isabella Pattie
indexing project (batch) number: C11429-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: unknown


and the marriages.

groom's name: John Harley
bride's name: Isabella Pattie
marriage date: 05 Jul 1845
marriage place: Ferry Port On Craig,Fife,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11429-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1040337



groom's name: John Mclaren
bride's name: Isabella Harley
marriage date: 01 Dec 1868
marriage place: Ferry Port On Craig,Fife,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11429-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

There is an OPR death for Henry Harley in Ferry Port On Craig on the 20th Sept 1849. This is on scotlandspeople.

Yes I found them - I did update the post to say I must have been brain-dead this morning!

So two options...

William 1842 is the son of Isabella (1817) and she is not yet married..or the entry on 1851 census showing him as grandson is wrong and he is the son of William and Isabella (1794)

This is the 1861 census


Name:Isabella Harley[Isabella Pattie]
Age:44
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1817
Relationship:Daughter
Mother's Name:Isabella Pattie
Gender:Female
Where born:Ferry Port On Craig, Fife
Registration Number:429
Registration district:Ferry Port on Craig
Civil parish:Ferry Port On Craig
County:Fife
Address:Dalgleish Street
ED:1
Household schedule number:196
Line:15
Roll:CSSCT1861_57
Household Members:
Isabella Pattie 67
Isabella Harley44
William S Pattie 19
Agnes Pattie 6

So What relationship is William this time?

And WHO is Agnes??

Jude

I have Agnes...she is the (presumably illegitimate) daughter of Margaret Pattie and Chrales McGann

:-)

William is still down as grandson of Isabella 1792. Isabella 1817 seems to be his mother. Perhaps his father is an entirely different Mr Simpson who shall remain unknown. Simpson is possibly William's middle name as well.

But Isabella 1817 is not a Simpson she's the Pattie (daughter of William Pattie and Isabella Simpson who is the 1892)...so his father is maybe John Harley or persons unknown!!

I have been in touch with a very established "Pattie" contact and he is sending me William's death certificate which shows his mother's name as Harley.

So definitely the son of of Isabella 1817 and the grandson of Isabella 1792. Doesn't prove who his father was though.

Jude

Have you got this??

YOUNG PATIE Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH DUTCH Family
Marriage: 07 MAR 1817 Ferry Port On Craig, Fife, Scotland


Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

Yes thanks Mel. I have loads on the Patties. This is not my direct line - Young was a brother of William 1792. It's obviously a very common name in Scotland and Fife in particular probably because they all seemed to breed like the proverbial rabbits. All have them have loads of children - except my great great grandparents who only had my great grandmother (which is what started off this thread)! I will see what the death certificate I have been promised yields and then maybe take a view as to whether to purchase William 1842's marriage certificate to see if it names a father.