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In Irish marriage certificates is it only the grooms fathers details and the brides fathers details that are recorded and not the mothers? In the post above the mothers names are not given but both have a witness, was this the normal way to record marriages in Ireland? If so how am i able to check that i have the correct parent details? Confused.com!

Charlotte, I have some Irish marriage certificates and they only mention the fathers. We, in Scotland are very lucky that they name both parents.

Just in the passing, the Irish death certificates I have don't even name the spouse only the occupation of the spouse. I was lucky that the spouses involved weren't labourers!

I wouldn't dimiss that 1901 cesus as William states on his marriage registration the his father William was working for the same company as him? It could be that William (Sen) came here to Glasgow ahead of his family to find work and accomodation before his wife and son came over.

Perhaps you could check by looking for the William 9son) and Mary on the 1911 Irish census. If they are still there then you will be able to eliminate them.

Hi Rootgatherer,
I have just got William Snr Death Cert.
Found dead after suicidal hanging on 25th October 1912 at 123 Blackburn Street, Govan, aged 50. born then in 1862?
Listed as Railway labourer and married to Mary McNaughton.
Father listed as William John Cassidy, Farm labourer, deceased and Mother listed as Elizabeth Cassidy ms Orath?, deceased. The informant is Wm J Cassidy, son, 20 Smith St, Kinning Parl, Glasgow. It is the same signature as the one he signed on his daughters birth cert Mary McNaughton Cassidy.
I cannot find a death record for his wife Mary McNaughton...

I have just found the death cert for Mary McNaughton, widow of William John Cassidy.
Died 10.5.1920 Victoria Hospital, Glasgow aged 72 years, born then in 1848?
Her parents are Daniel McNaughton, Carter, deceased and Mary McNaughton, ms McNeil, deceased.
Informant is son William John Cassidy, 4 Tower St, Glasgow.

Charlotte, could William mother maiden name be O'Rawe, as I've found a birth for a William John Cassidy 1861 Dunloy & Cloughmills R.C., father William Cassidy mother Elizabeth O'Rawe

Maura`s findings were correct regarding the marriage of William Cassidy and Mary McNaughtEn, 29.1.1884 in Ballymoney. Her fathers name is Daniel, which we now know to be correct.
So i need a census result for William John Cassidy, residing in Glen Lough, and Mary McNaughtEn, residing in Ballaghmore, pre 1884 :-)

What a small world! At the time of William's suicide my great great grandparents lived at 110 Blackburn Street!

If you can, go to the Mitchell Library and check if Mary claimed Poor Relief after William's death. You could also check the local newspapers when you are there as there may be something reported in the papers.

Also was there an RCE on the death entry as this may give some more details.

The only Irish census available are the 1901 and 1911. The earlier ones were destroyed.

Hi Maura,
It definately is spelt ORATH, but if you sounded it it could well be ORAWE, so i think you have found another missing link, well done you :-)

The Griffiths valuation has no Cassidy's or McNaughton living in either of the 2 town on the marriage, the only 3 William Cassidy listed for Co Antrim, and only 1 for the Ballymoney area

Griffiths Valuation Record Information

Tenant
Family Name 1 CASSIDY
Forename 1 WILLIAM
Landlord
Family Name 2 In Chancery
Forename 2
Location
County ANTRIM
Barony KILCONWAY
Union BALLYMONEY
Parish FINVOY
Townland DUNLOY
Place Name DUNLOY
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 1
Printing Date 1861
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 22,23
Map Reference 30
http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

I should have added that the most likely cemetery for Govan is Craigton Cemetery. The Mitchell also hold burial records for there on Microfilm.

Well done Maura - you're good at the Irish Ancestry. I am now wondering if your Mulhollands are related to mine - it could be helpful!

Hi Rootgatherer,
It is indeed a small world!
Forgive my ignorance but what is a RCE?
I also thought about newspaper articles, i love getting the background to stories, and love old photos.
Char

rootgatherer my Mulholland's are originally from around Randalstown in Co Antrim

This is the only Daniel MacNaughten in the Griffith's valuation

Tenant
Family Name 1 MACNAUGHTEN
Forename 1 DANIEL
Landlord
Family Name 2 CAMPBELL
Forename 2 THOMAS
Location
County LONDONDERRY
Barony COLERAINE, LIBERTIES OF, NORTH EAST
Union COLERAINE
Parish COLERAINE
Townland COLERAINE & SUBURBS (PART OF)
Place Name NEW ROW, UPPER
Place Type OTHER
Publication Details
Position on Page 37
Printing Date 1859
Act 15&16
Sheet Number
Map Reference 10 24

An RCE indicates an entry in the Register of Corrected Entries. If you found the death on Scotlandspeople look above the entry for, I think, a red box to click on. It uses 1 credit from memory to view it.

I have found them on Birth Certificates where the mother has gone to court to prove paternity of a child.

On marriage certificates they are sometimes found in the case of the couple divorcing.



Maura - Have great difficulty pinpointing where in Ireland my Mulhollands are from. The wee rascal only ever put Ireland as his birthplace on the census! Word of mouth said Derry but I have nothing to back that up and suspect Armagh or Monaghan more likely!
They are also used when incorrect information has been supplied for the original entry.

For deaths they are found if there has perhaps been a post mortem or in the case of suicides.

Hi Maura,
When it sates Place Type OTHER does this mean it is not a domestic dwelling?
Char

Hi rootgather,
i have checked and there is no attachments or amendments, but great to have learned yet another tip, Thanks

I forgot to mention that the `McNeil` in the scribbled notes i had from my Gran, now ties in with Mary McNaughtons maiden name, so another result!

Charlotte I don know what that means, but if you click on original image, its a house & yard

rootgather, Mulholland not a common name in Co Monaghan or Armagh, but it is in Co Antrim & Derry