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Mary
That is her dob.
:-D :-D <3 :-D :-D :-D
Ann

1881 census for Michael and Maria has gertrude age 7 weeks.
If she was born 8/2/1881 then she would have been 53/54 days old so looks like the right one!!

Maryb.

Hi Everyone,
I too think that Michael and Maria (Byrne) are the right family.

Maryb, there is also talk in the family of them owning or running a sweet shop.
Ann :-D :-D :-D :-D

1911 23,Moor Place Great Crosby nr Liverpool
Married 46 years 9 children 2 died.

Michael Thompson 1838 Co mayo ireland scavenger
Marie 1841 Co Carlow ireland
Ellen 1874 west Derby shop manageresss (Tobacco manufacturer)
Gertrude 1881 no occupation written down born West Derby.

Maryb.

I still think it is probably Michael and Maria (Byrne) who are her parents:

1881 England Census
about Michael Thompson
Name: Michael Thompson
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Thompson
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Great Crosby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Moor Lane Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laborer

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3696
Folio: 95
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Thompson 43
Maria Thompson 39
J. J. Thompson 13 *** ?
William Thompson 9
Edward Thompson 7
Ellen Thompson 7 *******
Michael Thompson 5 *******
Elizabeth Thompson 2
Gertrude Thompson ********

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3696; Folio: 95; Page: 23; GSU roll: 1341885.


We know that this Gertrude has a sister Mary Ann who was with grandparents (Maria's parents) in 1871.

This census also shows a sister Ellen and a brother Michael.

Only James is missing and there is a son J.J. with them here also - perhaps one of those 'J's is for James???

The only way to se sure, of course, is to get that marriage cert!

Dea x

Hi Dea,
All very confusing. You would think once on to the census's it would be a lot easier. This could also be them.
Ann :-S

1851 shows 2 more daughters for this couple:

1851:
Household Members: Name Age
Darby Byrne 34
Mary Byrne 34
Moriah Byrne 12 b Ireland **
Ellen Byrne 10 b Ireland
Laurance Byrne 1 MO



**Moriah will be the one who married Michael in 1865

Dea x

That is the one I have been following.

From 1871 census where Mary Ann is with grandparents:

Name: Mary Ann Thompson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 162
Piece: 3747
Folio: 20
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Jeremiah Byrne 54
Mary Byrne 54
Laurence Byrne 20
John Byrne 18
Anne Byrne 17
Eliza Byrne 14
Mary Ann Thompson 5 grand-daughter



Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3747; Folio: 20; Page: 33; GSU roll: 842138.

Dea x

Thank you :-D

Much as I would like to stay (I love mysteries) I have to go out now but I will drop back in later today to see if anything has confirmed.

Shirley. I found on the 1871 census a Mary Ann Thompson staying with her grandparent... Byrne. I wonder.

Jonesey and Shirley, you are both stars.
Thank you for helping my headache go away.
I will get the certs to make sure.
Ann :-D :-D :-D

another spanner!!
1871
THOMPSON, Henry Head Married M 50 1831 General Labourer
Ireland VIEW
THOMPSON, Bridget Wife Married F 46 1835 General Labourer Wife
Ireland VIEW
THOMPSON, Mary A Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic Servant>>>>>>>>>
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
THOMPSON, Ellen Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Liverpool>>>>>>>>
Lancashire VIEW

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Piece:
3644 Folio:
114 Page:
26 Registration District:
Toxteth Park

Civil Parish:
Toxteth Park Municipal Borough:
Address:
18, Guest Street, Toxteth Park County:
Lancashire

maybe
Name: THOMPSON, Michael
Registration District: Ormskirk
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 8B
Page No: 1103
MarriageFinder™: Michael Thompson married one of the following people

CASEY, Mary



BYRNE, Maria >>> ??

Ann,

If Mary Ann and Gertrude were indeed sisters then to me it looks almost certain that Edwin and Elizabeth were almost certainly their parents. The 1891 census has their siblings James and Elenor (Nell) along with Gertrude.

Elizabeth's maiden name was Russell. It might be worth looking to see whether Mary Ann was with her maternal grandparents in 1881.

Elizabeth was born in Denbighshire, Wales.

Jonesey,
One of the things that crossed my mind was that Mary Ann was from a different marriage because of the age difference, I wonder.
Thanks Ann.

Shirley. the one you found in Great Crosby sounds very promising, I think I better send for Gertrudes marriage cert.
Ann

Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
Russell Elizabeth Frances Liverpool 8b 375
THOMPSON Edwin Liverpool 8b 375

Think you need to establish her dads name from the marriage cert

Thats her death Shirley.
I can find the individual people but not together.