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19 Nov 2011 09:04 |
mgnv...This thread is getting very interesting (from a wider Historical perspective ). Thank you for the snippet about Ghandi ..didnt know that...I also wasnt aware Geo.III sons followed him...but then English History isnt my strongest subject..! The info.was really to determine whether we should be searching for Wm B F.KC/QC. Yes you are correct also in that you could not have direct entry the route was mainly through Oxford/Cam/Trinity.The Fitzgeralds mainly through Oxford. The KC/QC only came into existance aboround early 1830s.... Silks around 15 years after being called to the Bar...(same applies now)...however at that time it may have been less.
Liam...Wonderful piece of detective work...!! The address Stafford St. is also the same "street" that a Gerald Fitgerald gave when he married Eliz Wall (1890) (Assume its not same Gerald who was Sol.Blessington St.1850...but this one is also a solicitor) Marriage of GERALD ROBERT FITZGERALD of 28 STAFFORD ST and ELIZABETH HALL of BALLYGILE CO WICKLOW He was b Clontarf...father Charles.
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19 Nov 2011 12:12 |
Gosh, you've all been so busy on this one. Thousand thanks.
I have to go on a mercy dash to daughter in law who is very new mother and finding things difficult.
Will be back towards the end of the week and will get my teeth into all your help and research then.
Huge thanks in the meantime.
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19 Nov 2011 12:48 |
Erin, I think that the Gerald Fitzgerald, "1850 Blessington St", may well be a close relative of WBF, as to date we have not, found a male birth/ heir for WBF.Therefore would any property/ effects may have passed on to the oldest/nearest family member which I believe was the custom of the day. The wife/ widow/ daughter [s] wouldn't have had a say in the matter at the time, or if they were RC's
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21 Nov 2011 12:10 |
1862 Street Index Dublin.
28 Stafford Street.
Fitzgerald Charles Snr,Solicitor to South Dublin Union,and Dundrum Fitzgerald Charles Jnr, Solicitor and 2 St Johns Terrace, Clontarff Cane Matthew, Solicitor and 4 St Johns Terrace, Clontarff.
* The Union is likely to be the workhouse* Edit. 1843/44 " no WBF on register "
Attorney's Practicing in City of Dublin Record Court. Charles Fitzgerald, 25 Stafford Street Geo Fitzgerald, 30 North Anne Street John Fitzgerald, 33 Malboro Street
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25 Nov 2011 22:58 |
NB: I have been guided by a fellow GR to add the below update on to the end of this thread and not to open a fresh one. So here goes:-
THOM'S DIRECTORY:
I have been directed to Thom's Directory by Kings Inn, Dublin who have revealed that my WBF did indeed appear in their Admission Papers in Trinity Term 1811.
This gives us an approximate dob for him of c.1791.
My ancestor, WILLIAM BARRY FITZGERALD was a solicitor in Dublin of Blessington Street and died there in 1845 [I have found his burial record].
However, I cannot find either his birth record or more particularly any details of his practice in Dublin as a solicitor and Kings Inn don't have any details other than that he was apprenticed to a William Wildridge.
I have googled Thom's but they just want to sell me the CD!!
Can sks help me out on this one, please? I'm afraid that I know very little about Ireland/Dublin and am struggling.
All help gratefully received.
Many thanks.
Nicola
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26 Nov 2011 20:38 |
Is it possible for me to change the heading on this thread to "Thom's Directory, Dublin"?
That's really where this thread is heading now and I feel that it would be more accurate for all you enthusiastic GR's!
Thank you.
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26 Nov 2011 20:59 |
Nichola You said Wm.B was a QC...did he go on to be called to the Bar at a later date...? Thoms will only show those who were practising Law.... Where did you find the info.re QC.
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26 Nov 2011 21:17 |
Oh, I thought that Thom's was like a Kelly's; i.e., more of a street directory.
I don't think it's me who has made reference to him being a QC? Kings Inn only confirmed that they had him in their records of Admission Papers, see above.
Thank you.
Nicola
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26 Nov 2011 21:29 |
Nicola Your thread (1st posting) says.."He was a QC in Dublin". Thoms is like Kelly,s but will only give you the same info.eg St.address. I cannot find a Wm B listed. What does it have as his occ.on this daughters MC.
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27 Nov 2011 02:00 |
Nicola, I'm not sure that the Thoms will have the information your looking for,however there is the Treble Almanack, which includes the Petigrew and Oulton Directory for Dublin and Wilson Directory from 1751- 1837 also for Dublin
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27 Nov 2011 20:06 |
Apologies to one and all but AT LAST I have been able to dig out the information about our man!!
From The Times of India notices for 1863, the following marriage is announced: Henry Elliott Dashwood Bayley to Fanny Adelaide Fitzgerald [these are my Great Great Grandparents - and I'm lucky enough to have very good photographs of both of them!] on 7th April 1863 at Fort St George Madras . . . . "youngest daughter of the late William Barry Fitzgerald esq QC Dublin."
As I wrote above, the Indian Marriage Record [which I also have from the British Library] does not give the profession or whether dead/alive for bride's or groom's father's; this is always a tricky area, since many of this branch of my family were out in India during the Raj and inevitably many marriages took place out there. But we do have good family records which have been kept over the years, so I usually know that I am pointing in the right direction.
So, our WBF was indeed a QC and in Dublin.
Please, where do I go from here? I want to find out who he married, the other children they had and also where he might be buried so that I can find his headstone.
Anyone up for this, please? All help gratefully received.
Thank you. :-)
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27 Nov 2011 22:33 |
Nicola.... You have identified that WBF was a QC...If you check back through the thread you will see Liam gave you WBF's marriage....
If you have access to "The Times"...check out obits.for the time of WBFs Death..
as I said earlier there are mant Fitzgerald Burials in Mount Jerome Cem. also a family Vault...you could contact the Cem.and find out if he is in it...(you would be better trying to locate his obit first)
Does this thread relate in any way to your Ward of Chancery thread...?
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28 Nov 2011 02:51 |
More Marriages, Emily Barry Fitzgerald + Robert Lovet Cuthbert = 28th apr 1858, St Peter Dublin. Brides father- William Barry Fitzgerald Grooms Father- William Pierce Cuthbert.
Wellington Barry Fitzgerald + Harriet Unedale Leslie= 19th Jan 1854, Calcutta Parents= William Barry Fitzgerald + Robert Leslie.
Elizabeth Southwell + Grant Thomas Bowen , Bride born 1832 age 28 [1860] no age for groom St Michaels , Barbados Parents= William Barry Fitzgerald + Israel Bowen
So are we dealing with 2 different WBF's ?
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28 Nov 2011 10:09 |
Liam...I am beginning to wonder the same thing....
" My great great grandfather was a QC Dublin..WBF died 1845... He was father of Flo.Ad.Fitzgerald who married Henry GD Bayley (India )...who were my great great grandparents"
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1286940 Nicola is looking for info.re great great grandparents 1890ish....
Nicola....Can you show a brief "tree" to clarify which generation WBFitzgerald (Died 1845) belongs to.....We may have lost one along the way....
I have checked the Thoms diectory and find neither a William Wildridge (at the time in question the name may have been listed as Wilroge) or a WBF in Dublin "City"...I have also checked out the Dublin "City" Voters Reg 1820 and neither are listed...
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28 Nov 2011 13:09 |
Erin, I think you could be right, in that we may be missing a birth for a WBF in around the C1820/30s
possible connections, Deaths, Robert Barry Fitzgerald Burial Place Calcutta , 26th Nov 1838 aged 43. birth 1795 Occ- Atty at Law
William Wildridge Burial 19 Dec 1836 aged 59, Dame St, Dublin
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28 Nov 2011 16:48 |
Liam....I seem to have lost the plot somewhere along this thread...what appeared at first to be straightforward has more twists and turns....!!
Will check out WW...Dame St.on early Directories and see what it produces...
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28 Nov 2011 22:49 |
Oh bother, I started to write a reply and GR ate it.
Will try again in a minute.
Harrumph. :-D
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28 Nov 2011 23:37 |
GR very slow this evening. Will have to try to get back to this again in a day or two.
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29 Nov 2011 00:02 |
Nicola GR site has been shocking tonite...Think their system has given up the ghost. It's. Enough to make a Saint swear
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29 Nov 2011 19:51 |
Have managed to get into GR again this evening, but I am VERY overworked and cannot see a slot to get back to this rather convoluted thread until the weekend.
Please forgive and don't think me rude if you all are active on my behalf!! :-) <3
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