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Hi all,

Rootgatherer, the info on Edith May looks good no children from that marriage then? The marriage of Joesph and Mary Ann took place on 8/4/1901, the census was on the 31/3/1901. Addresses for them were Mill St and New St, could be Loughborough . But neither match the census info? Also there is a Mary Ann Smith and her brother Walter in the 1911 census in Quorn, but her DOB is given as 1883?

Thanks

Kevin

Sorry, I should have said John's occupation in 1901 is Stone Quarry man. No occupation given for Mary Ann and the address is Freehold Street. Does that match the marriage certificate that you have please?

1881

Name: Mary Ann Smith
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's name: Alice Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Barrow On Soar, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Barrow Upon Soar
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 35 North St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3150
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 31 Lime Quarryman, b. Smeeton
Alice Smith 40 b. Smeeton
Walter Smith 12 b. Smeeton
Alice Smith 7 b. BoS
John Smith 5 b. BoS
Hannah Smith 3 b. BoS
Mary Ann Smith 1


1891

Name: Mary Ann Smith
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's name: Alice Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Barrow Upon Soar, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Barrow upon Soar
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Barrow upon Soar
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2519
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 40 Lime Quarryman
Alice Smith 49
Alice Smith 18
John Smith 15
Hannah Smith 14
Mary Ann Smith 11
Walter Smith 5

1901

Name: Alice Smith
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Smeeton, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Quorndon
Ecclesiastical parish: Quorndon St Bartholomew
Town: Quorndon
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barrow upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Quorndon
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 94
Piece: 2982
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 57
Alice Smith 56
Mary A Smith 21
Walter Smith 15

Births Mar 1903 STEVENSON Edith May Loughbro 7a 129

???

Marriages Sep 1928
STEVENSON Edith M Walton Loughbro' 7a 413
Walton Noel W Stevenson Loughbro' 7a 413

Name: Noel Ward Walton
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1904
Date of registration: Jun 1985
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 1525


Name: Edith M Walton
Birth Date: abt 1903
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1940
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Market Bosworth
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 217


Re-marriage for Noel?

Marriages Jun 1942
Heimann Ruth S Walton Loughbro' 7a 513
Walton Noel W Heimann Loughbro' 7a 513

Hi all,

I got the death cert for John James, it gives his address as 109 North St BOS. So thats the link between him an Gertrude, ive checked census for that side of the family from the info rootgatherer found, got some good results. But couldnt find a trace on Edith May, JJs sister? I also got Joseph Stevensons marriage cert between him an Mary Ann Smith in 1901, thats JJs parents, her dad is John Smith. She was born 1879 Loughborough ,but i cant find them local through the census? Not untill 1911, when she was married? With a name like Smith though its not easy!

Thanks

Kevin

Hi all,

Flip, my dad went in the army from 54-56 he was living at 109 North St then. But when he came home the houses had been knocked down, and he had to ask someone where his mum (Gertrude) had gone. They had been rehoused at 5 the Retreat, from where he married, that house is still there. So any address for JJ would come back as 109 North St or other if any. The census info rootgatherer found looks very interesting, any info on that side of the family is very useful. Spelling change of the name is also very interesting. Dont think we will ever find out who his real mum was or his true birth details, but all info on his dads side of the family is what i also wanted to find out about.

Thank you all.

Kevin

Kevin, the address your father married from is the same as that given for the place of death for Gertrude's mother Florence Wells in 1962 - it's on the B-u-S parish transcripts. 5 The Retreat, I don't know if this was where John James Stevenson was living at the time of his death though - there's no address on that transcript, and a good few years have passed since his death.

Marriages Jun 1901
Collins Florence Loughbro' 7a 301
Harper Thomas Loughbro' 7a 301
SMITH Mary Ann Loughbro' 7a 301 <<<<<<<
Stevenson Joseph Loughbro' 7a 301 <<<<<<

1891

Name: Joseph Stevenson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Stepson
Mother's name: Mary A Barker
Gender: Male
Where born: Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Loughborough
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Loughborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2514
Folio: 28
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
I Barker 55
Mary A Barker 50
Annie Stevenson 19
Amos Stevenson 17
Hannah Stevenson 15
Joseph Stevenson 13
Walter Stevenson 11
Ellen Stevenson 9
Moses Groves 26

Marriages Jun 1890
Barker Israel Loughbro'. 7a 259 <<<<<<
Frisby Eliza Emma Loughbro' 7a 259
Stevenson Mary Ann Loughbro' 7a 259 <<<<<<
UNDERWOOD Herbert George Loughbro' 7a 259

1881

Name: Mary Ann Stevenson
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitwick, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Loughborough
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 37 King Street
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Charwoman

Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Loughborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3146
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Stevenson 39
Thomas Lovett 19 Boarder
Mary Ann Stephenson 15
John Stephenson 13
Ann Stephenson 8
Amos Stephenson 7
Hannah Stephenson 5
Joseph Stephenson 3
Walter Stephenson 2

Hi all,
Ive got the death cert for John James Stevenson ordered, hopefully it will have an address for him on it. As there was no address in the Parish ledgers, where does the info for them come from? Flip ive not checked the electoral rolls yet, will wait for JJs death cert to come first incase there is any other address to check out. The census for John James looks good but i cant get back any further on his parents for earlier census, having said they were all born in Loughborough?

Thank you

Kevin

Hi Kevin, it been a while!

That census rootsgather has posted looks very promising.

I'd forgotton how complicated this thread had become, but that is good news on the burial record - it now ties in with the index. A copy of that death certificate could prove useful - it should given an address and who registered the death (hopefully Gertrude). I don't think there will be much more to find at the cemetry though.

So, if I remember correctly, you have John James Stevenson death reg Q4/1944 Barrow (7a144) and buried as you've just detailed. Then Gertrude's mother Florence buried in the same grave a few years later, from the same address as your father was living at the time of his marriage. And memories that it was Gertrude who brought up your father.

It really does point to this JJS being your grandfather, but still doesn't get us any nearer Leonard's birth because we don't know his mother's name, and I would suspect his birth would be registered under her name because there's no sign of JJS getting married and a child registered under Stevenson.

Did you ever manage to get chance to check out the electoral rolls for Gertrude & Jack before that death?

Births Sep 1901 STEVENSON John James Loughbro' 7a 139

The only John James Stevenson birth registered for 1901 is the one above.

1911

Name: John James Stevenson
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Loughborough
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 135 Paget St Loughborough
Registration district: Loughborough
Registration District Number: 405
Sub-registration district: Loughborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 19109
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Stevenson 33 Wood working machinist (Electric Tramcar Works)
Mary Ann Stevenson 32
John James Stevenson 9
Edith May Stevenson 8

Married 10 years, 3 children born, 2 living 1 had died.
All born Loughborough.

Hi all,
Finally got the info from the Parish Council, about John Thomas Stevenson. In the ledgers he is buried as John James Stevenson Int on 7/ DEC/1944 age 43. So next stop cemetery, but there is no headstone on the grave! There was no other info in the ledgers, (Thomas) looked like typo from James, and age 48 typo 43.

Kevin

Hi all,
Got another possibility, could John Thomas Stevenson who is burried in BOS have been born in Scotland?

Re: 1901 census Florence Stevenson...got excited "Cooks" - connection??? But I actually think it is Crookes.

:-(

Hi all,
I went to Loughborough Library today, ER s for Barrow are kept at another place nr Leicester. Had a look through the local paper for anything on John Thomas in 1944 but didnt see anything. Still waiting to hear from the Parish Council for any new info about JT.

Has anyone looked at this marriage:

Name John T Stevenson
Year of Marriage 1934
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Derby
Registration County Derbyshire
Spouse's Surname Swift
Volume Number 7B
Volume Page 1472

or this birth:

Name John Stevenson
Year of Registration 1900
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Derby
Registration County Derbyshire
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 7B
Volume Page 570

or this 1901 Census:

1901 Census Household Record Address 1 New Works
Civil Parish Staveley
Rural District Chesterfield
Town or Village or Hamlet Staveley
Ecclesiastical Parish Staveley St John The Baptist
Parliamentary Borough or Division North East Derbyshire
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Derbyshire

Householder 1
Name George Cookes
Relation to Head of Family F In Law
Condition as to Marriage Widower
Age Last Birthday 62
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Derbyshire Staveley
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Florence Stevenson
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Derbyshire Staveley
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name John Stevenson
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Derbyshire Staveley
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name John Hz Stevenson
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 36
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Horsekeeper
Employment Status
Where Born Derbyshire Brimington
Language
Infirmity



chrissiex, there is a way of matching the year of birth in early NI numbers but it will take some time for me to work out the formula as it is several years since I last did this.

Hi all,
I think you are all doing a great job, its hard to rule out anything. Because the people who knew the truth took it with them to there graves! I can only be sure of one school he went to in BOS, Gert would never speak about his mother so im told. And I cant be sure how old he was when he first appeared in BOS, but i think (Jack) John Thomas Stevenson is his real dad. Going to try and find out more about him, hes a bit of a mystery also! Anything anybody wants to know just ask me.
Thank You
Kevin

sorry Flick is what relevant, the Leonard etc info I posted ?

if we are looking for a Leonard born in 1936 I would say it's the most relevant information there is :-)

did you mean my query about where Leon Bradley-Stevenson got to ? well if there is a chance that he actually is Leonard then I would say that is relevant too ...

the Bradley-Stevensons were native to Loughborough where the stepmother is from, Leon was born in Barrow upon Soar which is tied in with the stepmother, there is a possible ( if slightly remote ) family connection between the stepmother and the Bradley-Stevenson family ...


Perchino very interesting about a birth in 3rd quarter ... Leon B-S was born in the 3rd quarter :-) ... does it indicate the year or just the quarter ?


I am still a little confused, are we thinking it is possible that Gertrude is actually Leonard's mother ......... ? or I see, that she and 'Jack' were partners maybe and when he died she was left with his child ... but what would have happened to the child's mother ?

Some other thoughts to throw into the "pot":
1) The NI number is showing a birth in the 3rd quarter.
2) "The Bush" reduced its workforce by 1,000 in the 1930's so employment would have been difficult and Jack could have moved to Derby in search of work.
3) Which school/s did Leonard attend?

But is this relavent? Lets go back to the orriginal quest - find Leonard Stevenson (?niot birth name) and his father Jack.