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good evening all,
I am on a different quest this time and am begging on you greater abilities to unearth this one. ( apologies if that pun is in poor taste )
George Roles, possibly with a middle name of Hunter, was the father of my ancestor Charles Harry roles, baptised in 1836 at Manchester Cathedral, I have a memory of him being a fishmonger from an earlier search which I can no longer locate, he was married to a Martha but I cannot locate a marriage or find them in the early Census records so am at a los as to where to go now. As always, any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Gavin

For refernce:

Name: Charles Harry Roles
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Feb 1836
Baptism/Christening Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Hunter Roles
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Martha Roles
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02608-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545610
Reference Number: P72 item 574

Cheers MaryMc,
thats as far as I can get, my mam has the belief that the family orifinated in the dorset area, Charles Harry maried a Mary Goodhead from Burton on Trent, but I am at a loss as to anything else really apart from the pedigree right through to my Grandad........

Just for reference, slightly different birth year
1891 England Census
Charles Roles
Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Roles
Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Broughton Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Broughton [Near Salford]
ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Piece: 3212 Folio: 102 Page Number: 9
Charles Roles 60
Mary Roles 53 Burton?
Charles H Roles 24 Salford
Ruth Roles 21 Salford
Edwin Roles 15
William Roles 12
Richard J Roles 2 grnson
Samuel Phipps 38
John Fulham 60
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3212; Folio 102; Page 9; GSU roll: 6098322.

Mary's birth one of these?

Goodhead Mary 1838 Burton Upon Trent Staffordshire View
Goodhead Mary Ann 1856 Burton Upon Trent Staffordshire View
Goodhead Mary Ann 1847 Burton Upon Trent Staffordshire View
Goodhead Mary Ann 1849 Burton Upon Trent Staffordshire View
Goodhead Mary Ann 1842 Burton Upon Trent Staffordshire

Hello Patchem,
that casued me some concern when I first came across it, I was simply assuming that all children were baptised in their first few years so nearly passed it by, glad I perservered though, that is assuming I am right with George hunter being Charles father...Seems too locical and close to be wrong........

Most likely birth for age 53 in 1891:

Name Mary Goodhead
Year of Registration 1838
Quarter of Registration Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Burton upon Trent
Registration County Staffordshire
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 17
Volume Page 7

Hello Perchino,
I believe Mary is your 1838 one, daughter of Joseph Goodhead and Hannah Richards. Hannah appears in a later census living with Charles and Mary in Manchester which makes me pretty certain of the connection. As before though I could be wrong...... :-)

for ref:-

Name: Charles H. Roles
Gender: Male
Mother's Name: Martha Roles
Spouse's Name: Mary Goodhead
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Goodhead
Marriage Date: 28 Nov 1857
Marriage Place: Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England

..........no father's name?

but Mary's father is Joseph!

For reference

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: ROLES, Charles H
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 8D
Page No: 642

GOODHEAD, Mary

Hello Catherine,
and thank you so much for that Gem, I was unsure of wher they were married and unsure of whether to concentrate my search towards Burton or Manchester for the elusive George. Still no Guarentees that it will still be manchester, but it gives strength to the suggestion. Cheers :-D

1871
Name: Charles H Roles
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Roles
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St SimonSt Simon
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 4020
Folio: 30
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles H Roles 41 - Mill Lodge Keeper
Mary Roles 32 - born: Burton-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire
John Roles 11
Joseph Roles 9
Ruth Roles 8 Months
Hannah Goodhead 58 - Mother in Law born: Burton-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire
Charles Roles 4

Baptism: 7 Feb 1836 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Charles Harry Roles - son of George Hunter Roles & Martha
Born: 15 Apr 1829
Abode: Salford
Occupation: Fishmonger
Baptised by: William Wilbraham Johnson M.A. Oxon Deputy Chaplain
Register: Baptisms 1836, Page 72, Entry 574
Source: LDS Film 1545610

MARY GOODHEAD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 SEP 1838 Burton Upon Trent, Stafford, England
Father: JOSEPH GOODHEAD
Mother: HANNAH



1841
Name: Joseph Goodhead
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Burton Upon Trent
Hundred: North Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Cooper

Registration district: Burton upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Burton upon Trent
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 975
Book: 10
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Richards 70
Elizabeth Richards 66
Thomas Goodhead 30
Mary Goodhead 30

Joseph Goodhead 23
Hannah Goodhead 24
Mary Goodhead 2
John Goodhead 1

Excellent,
Theirs my tenuous fishmonger connection qualified. Is there anything you would suggest as to tracing the fishmonger route for an link back ???
Thanks in advance.

Looks like one of Charles children??

Marriage: 30 Sep 1899 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
Edwin Roles - 23 Warehouseman Bachelor of 15 Hodson Street
Mary Alice Reeves - 20 Spinster of 1 Hodson Street
Groom's Father: Charles Henry Roles, Painter
Bride's Father: William Reeves, Poultry Dealer
Witness: William Roles; Isabella Griffiths, (X)
Married by Banns by: A. W. Davies, Assistant Curate
Register: Marriages 1896 - 1907, Page 75, Entry 150
Source: LDS Film 1408729

Thanks Catherine,
thats got to be the one, especially as Hannah was still living with them in 1871 on the census you found.

Another of Charles children??

Baptisms: 3 Jun 1860 Sacred Trinity, Salford, Lancashire, England
John Roles - Child of Charles Harry Roles & Mary
Born: 6 Mar 1860
Abode: 7 Philip St. Church St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: A. N. Pitcher Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1864, Page 143, Entry 1139
Source: LDS Film 2356038

Apologies,
battery on the laptop is going and my lead is at the office, if I disappear before I get an opportunity to reply the I apologise in advance.

Hello again,
yes thats one of theirs, their other Son, Charles Henry, had nine children, only Charles Harry survived providing the offspring of which I hail from, sad story but indicative of how bad things were in Salford at the end of the nineteenth century......