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British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Charles Frederick Joseph De Haas
Name: Charles Frederick Joseph De Haas
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Age at enlistment: 17
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 56202
Regiment Name: Devons 19th Training Reserve Bn
Number of images: 3
from images:-
Address:- 51 Cecil Road, Upton Manor
Age:- 17 years 11 months
Occupation:- Book Keeper
Took Oath:- 2 October 1916
Attestation Certified:- 12 Mar 1917, Stratford, London E
(attestation = the moment of joining up)
Age:- 18 yrs 6 months
Height: 5' 8"
Next of Kin and address:- Hilda De Haas, Mother, 51 Cecil Road, Upton Manor
Service numbers:- 50202, 65388
Discharged as no longer physically fit for War Service 12-8-20, Canterbury
Home address at discharge:- 149 Rosebury (can't read next word), Manor Park, E.12
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There is also this one showing under Pension Records:-
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Frederick De Haas
Name: Frederick De Haas
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Age at enlistment: 28
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 3255
Regiment Name: Lancashire and Cheshire Royal Garrison Artillery
Number of images: 9
His NOK is:- wife, Henrietta Heilbron, married Liverpool 1915, Address:- 18 Peterborough Rd, Liverpool
One child born 1916.
This Frederick appears to be:-
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Frederick I De Haas
Name: Frederick I De Haas
Spouse Surname: Heilbron
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 325 (click to see others on page)
Spouse:- Henrietta Heilbron
That leads to the following possible birth:-
Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
De Haas Frederick Isaac Poplar 1c 634
which might be this one on the 1891 Census .. family having moved north to Lancashire
1891 Census
Name: Fred Haas
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Louis Haas
Mother's Name: Florence Haas
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Chorlton On Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chrysostom
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
Louis Haas 33 Figxxx ooperator (can't read first word)
Florence Haas 31
Percy Haas 6
Fred Haas 4
Hanley Haas 1
so might be a familial relationship, but not obvious
but they have changed to De Haas by 1911
Name Age
Louis De Haas 52 Commercial Traveller (for) Cigar Merchant
Florence De Haas 51
Stanley De Haas 21 Commercial Traveller, Stationery
Harriet De Haas 18 Apprentice Tailor
Annie De Haas 15 Student
Mary Bevan 26 Servant
YES
...... apparently Louis is one of the sons of Morris De Haas and Sophia Polack, so brother of Michael De Haas
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Hi, all you very nice kind guys & gals,
Gee thanks for all that help & info. I'll collate and compare with what I've already got (or have not got!)
Next problems to solve please:
1) Just got death cert for Michael De Haas of 1 Vernon Square, Finsbury formerly 'General Dealer' (Cigars maybe?) who died Islington 5 Aug 1940 at Archway Hospital age 74 but informant was only given as 'A. A. De Haas 'Widow of deceased' of same address (See Chrissiex entry above on 9 Dec 2011) However I only have his marriage to wife as Hilda (Macmullen: see above replies etc) Q: Can anyone please find any possible (second?) marriage for Michael De Haas & A.A. ....? [seems 'Annie' as did find Electoral Register entries 1935/36/38/39 for Michael De Haas & Annie De Haas at 1 Vernon Place, London W.C.1] (NB: Michael Died of 'General Senility' so was there a muddle up!) Is A. A. De Haas/Annie De Haas just Hilda again, but A.A. bit specific, or would make sense if was A.H. or H.A. De Haas?) Alternative is this deceased Michael De Haas another man of same name? Died age 74 which makes birth 1866 although I had possible birth as 'Myer De Haas b 1866 Whitechapel, London but might be wrong on that birth (thought 'Myer' might be Dutch/Jewish for 'Michael' is that correct?)
2) Also: Hilda 'Haas' (not Annie) marries Archibald 'Archie' Walter Norman abt Nov 1948, also in Islington where Michael died, but can't find her UK death (NB: 'Archie' became naturalised US citizen on 8/2/1907 so they might have both gone back to USA after marriage and she might have died there? Does anyone have access to US records to check please?
Not sure if correct to post this follow up on here, but please advise if should start new post?
Thanks for
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This death has a birthdate that ties in with a WW1 draft registration card for Archibald Walter Norman and the 1907 naturalisation record:
Social Security Death Index
Name: Archibald Norman
SSN: 160-03-2258
Last Residence: 17022 Elizabethtown, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Born: 13 Feb 1877
Died: Nov 1981
State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
EDIT: This chap was originally married to an Adelaide, who he was still with in August 1948 .........
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Remind us of Hilda's birth year, rather than me trawling back through all the info on this thread.
Yes, you are right to continue on here :-)
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Hi again,
Thanks.
I've got birth of Hilda Macmullen birth as abt 1865 Barnet, London (father Joseph Macmullen as per London marriage banns: marriage to Michael De Haas 14 May 1888 at Lewisham, Deptford, Kent )
Thanks, I'll try to check back in tomorrow.
George
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Arch'd Norman - magnify 4 clicks, then save image
http://www.archive.org/stream/fifteenthcensus00reel2106#page/n284/mode/1up
[addy=5136 Newhall St, Philadelphia PA]
http://www.archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1622unit#page/n1060/mode/1up
http://www.archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po1389unit#page/n825/mode/1up
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