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I have tried numerous ways to find my ARTHUR LAW in the 1851 census, but so far to no avail.

He was born in 1830/1 in Crumpsall, Manchester. I have him in 1841 and all the others until his death just before the 1901 census.

But I CANNOT FIND HIM in 1851.

I know that he wasn't abroad because we have his ORIGINAL paper passport dated 1859, framed and in pride of place!!

He came from a wealthy Manchester family with strong connections in that area.

PLEASE can sks have a good root around this evening and see if you can find him? I think it must be a mis-transcribe, perhaps?

Many thanks in advance.

Nicola

Not necessarily mistranscibed.............considerable parts of the 1851 for areas in and around Manchester are simply not available.........having at some time suffered severe water damage.

The pieces are listed in the additional info relating to the 1851 census on Ancestry........worth checking out

Flick is quite correct...unfortunately Crumpsall is one of the parishes affected.

Regards Vera

From "About 1851 England Census", Ancestry

In addition, the census returns of the following localities have been damaged by water during storage. Most of the damaged pieces are in the area of Manchester. However, through the use of new technology they have now been indexed. The Manchester and Lancashire Family History Society recovered tens of thousands of names working on a small scale to prove the technology. Ancestry.com used forensic and photographic techniques on a large scale to take names from records, which are unreadable by the naked eye because of mold and water damage. >>>>>The process yielded abt 165,000 names that weren’t previously available.<<<<<

1851 missing pages
Missing pieces of the 1851 census
In the enumeration books the following parishes and hamlets are permanently missing from these piece numbers. Some of these parishes and hamlets represent the entirety of the piece, while others are just portions of a piece.

1762 Cambridgeshire and Suffolk Parish: Ashley-cum-Silverley
Burwell
Exning
Landwade
Newmarket
Reach
Snailwell
St Mary
Swaffham Prior
1763 Cambridgeshire and Suffolk Parish: Dalham
Dunstall-Green
Gazeley
Higham Green
Kennett
Lidgate
Moulton
Ousden
Southwell Park
1785 Essex Parish: Aythorp-Roothing
Bardfield-Saling
Barnston
Broxted
Chickney
Easton Lodge
Felstead
Great Bardfield
Great Canfield
Great Dunmow
Great Easton
Hatfield-Broad-Oak or Hatfield Regis
High Easter
High Roothing
Leaden-Roothing
Lindsell
Little Bardfield
Little Canfield
Little Easton
Little Dunmow
Margaret Roothing
Morrell-Roothing
Stebbing
Takeley
Thaxted
Tilty
White Roothing
1852 Dorset Parish: Bagbere
Bellchalwell
Child Okeford
Fifehead-Neville
Hammoon
Haselbury-Bryan
Hinton St Mary
Ibberton
Manston
Newton
Okeford-Fitzpaine
Shillingstone or Shilling-Okeford
Stoke-Wake
Sturminster-Newton-Castle
Woolland
Scotland Cumlodden (Ayrshire)
Enzie and Seafield (Banffshire)
Inverallan (Invernessshire)
Corsock Bridge and Dalbeattie (Kirkcudbrightshire)
Abbey in Paisley (Renfrewshire)



In addition, the census returns of the following localities have been damaged by water during storage. Most of the damaged pieces are in the area of Manchester.

2332 Yorkshire Parish: Broadroyd Head
Carlton
Carr Green
Cudworth with High & Low Cudworth
Darton
Darton Lane Head
Darton with Blacker
Mapplewell
Notton
Roystone
Staincross & Swallow Hill
Woolley
2219 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Ardwick
Birth in Rusholme
Burnage
Chorlton-dum-Hardy
Didsbury
Gorton
Levenshulme
Openshaw
Rusholme
Withington
2220 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Ardwick
Chorlton-upon-Medlock
2221 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Moss-side
Hulme
2222/1 Lancashire Parish: Eccles
Pendleton
2222/2 Lancashire Parish: Eccles
Pendleton
2222/3 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Broughton-with Kersall
2223 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Salford
2224 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Salford
2225 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2226 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2227 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2228 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2229 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2230 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2231 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Bradford
Beswick
Newton with Culcheth & Kirkmanshulme
2232 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Alt
Alt-Edge
Alt-Hill
Ashton-under-Lyne
Blackley
Cheetham
Crumpsall
Failsworth
Great Heaton
Harpurhey
Knott Lanes with Lees
Knott Lanes & Wood Park
Little Heaton
Moston
Prestwich
Taunton
2233 Lancashire Parish: Ashton-under-Lyne
Ashton Town
2240 Lancashire Parish: Prestwich
Oldham (St Mary"s, St Peter"s, Wernet, and Westwood Wards)



REgards Vera

Thank you both for your knowledge.

Arthur's brother John Henry Law is to be easily found in 1851 living nearby in Urmston.

I feel that Arthur is probably somewhere with a family member. They were a very close family and often shared houses in and around Manchester and then latterly in Silverdale, Lancashire.

Does this help??

You GR lot have been so kind and helpful in the past and, to date, NONE of our family members have ever escaped your eagle eyes when mine have failed!!

spouse: Clara Maud Law
children: Mary Pauline Dalton Law,? Francis Ellen Law


name: Arthur Law
age: 50
gender: Male
birth year: 1831
birthplace: Crumpstall, Lancashire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Income From Houses & Dividends
address: Temple Bank
census place: Beetham, Westmorland, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342257
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5215 / 49
page number: 9

Clara Maud Law
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1846 Bath,? Somerset,? England
residence: 1881 Beetham,? Westmorland,? England
census: 1881 Beetham,? Westmorland,? England
spouse: Arthur Law
children: Mary Pauline Dalton Law,? Francis Ellen Law


name: Clara Maud Law
age: 35
gender: Female
birth year: 1846
birthplace: Bath, Somerset, England
relationship to head of household: Wife
marital condition: Married
address: Temple Bank
census place: Beetham, Westmorland, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342257
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5215 / 49
page number: 9

If he is on a missing piece.........he can't be found

Gosh, that's amazing information Vera.

Thank you.

Although by 1851, our Arthur is no longer living in actual Crumpsall. His parents have died, he is aged 20/21 and no doubt 'launched' himself on the world. He obviously had a great deal of money since he lived off the Income of Dividends and Rents and left a sizeable estate.

Unlike his brothers, he was not a Cheetham's scholar.

Hmmmmmmmmmm ..

The info I found was on FMP census 1851

Regards Vera

Thank you Anne of GG.

We've got all that lot and plenty more. He's just being annoyingly elusive for 1851.

It's a remote possibility that he could be in Bath, where his future wife came from. But that should show up on an Ancestry trawl, but doesn't.

Nicola,
Just a thought, you could contact the Manchester Library to see if they have a Kellys Directory for 1851 or something similar that could help to find him.

Regards Vera

Nicola S

Have been having a search around. You say Arthur no longer in Crumpsall area in 1851. Just wondering how you knew that and also that his parents had died by that time. I think I may have been following the wrong family as I have a Mary Law widowed in 1861 with daughter Frances (Worthington) and family?


Vera

Vera, only just seen your above reply.

I will return to all of this when we get back after the weekend.

No, you've not got the wrong family; I may have jumped the gun when I said that both his parents were dead without looking back at my notes!

Apologies.

Vera, please don't think me rude for not responding when I said that I would.

Arrival of Grandbaby No.2 occurred in the middle of all of this!

I will return to this, I promise.

Thank you in the meantime,
Nicola

I've returned to this thread because I can now confirm that in fact his parents were still alive in the 1851 census.

Father John Law died in 1852 and mother Mary Law nee Dalton died in 1865. I found the MI, so am happy about that!

Back to Arthur's whereabouts in 1851. He is not living with his parents in Crumpsall, Manchester. In the 1861 census, he is living with his younger half-brother John and wife Mary and their three daughters in grand style with six servants in Urmston, Manchester. [Sadly, this house is now under the M6 ....].

It has occurred to me that he could have been studying somewhere in the UK and that his name may have been mistranscribed? He is not with the usual family suspects.

I'm back on the trail again in the hope that he may be found. If anyone out there has a need to get frustrated on this search with me, please join in!

:-D

You do realise, I trust, that a large number of 1851 pieces for the Manchester area are simply not available, due to water damage?

EDIT

You were told this by 'Flick' - and others - back in 2011

REPEATING

2219 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Ardwick
Birth in Rusholme
Burnage
Chorlton-dum-Hardy
Didsbury
Gorton
Levenshulme
Openshaw
Rusholme
Withington
2220 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Moss-side
Hulme
2222/1 Lancashire Parish: Eccles
Pendleton
2222/2 Lancashire Parish: Eccles
Pendleton
2222/3 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Broughton-with Kersall
2223 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Salford
2224 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Salford
2225 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2226 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2227 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2228 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2229 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2230 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
2231 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Bradford
Beswick
Newton with Culcheth & Kirkmanshulme
2232 Lancashire Parish: Manchester
Alt
Alt-Edge
Alt-Hill
Ashton-under-Lyne
Blackley
Cheetham
Crumpsall
Failsworth
Great Heaton
Harpurhey
Knott Lanes with Lees
Knott Lanes & Wood Park
Little Heaton
Moston
Prestwich
Taunton

Yes, that information from Flick and others was very helpful.

My train of thought is now that perhaps he wasn't in Manchester at all in 1951. He would have been 19/20 and perhaps studying elsewhere?

I'm still a little bit hopeful that this route is where we may find him .........

Studying what?