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Thanks Catherine,I'm back after Lunch.I have the details for Pheobe and Henry's marriages.The Durber/Lovatt details are correct apart from Thomas's father being a Daniel Durber.

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William Russell Jones.

Phebe married in 1851 so the family should still be around somewhere:-

Name: Phoebe Lovatt
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Job Lovatt
Spouse's Name: Ralph Lowe
Spouse's Father's Name: George Lowe
Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1851
Marriage Place: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England


and Henry in 1850:-

Name: Henry Lovatt
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Job Lovatt
Spouse's Name: Sarah Chadwick
Spouse's Father's Name: Aaron Chadwick
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1850
Marriage Place: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England


Name: Ann Lovatt
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Jeb Lovatt
Spouse's Name: Thomas Denber
Spouse's Father's Name: David Denber
Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1844
Marriage Place: Bucknall, Staffordshire, England

Thanks Catherine,the 1841 entry is correct.

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William Russell Jones.

Thanks Catherine,yes all the Lovatt info is correct,Hannah's maiden name being "Clewes".

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William Russell Jones.

1841
Name: Job Lovatt
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Burslem
Hundred: North Pirehill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Burslem
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 987
Book: 11
Folio: 11
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Job Lovatt 30
Hannah Lovatt 30
Ann Lovatt 14
Henry Lovatt 11
Phebe Lovatt 9
Rosanna Lovatt 6
Job Lovatt 2

Ann's mother Hannah is living with the Durber family in 1861.

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William Russell Jones.

. ANN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 FEB 1827 Saint John, Burslem, Stafford, England
Father: JOB LOVATT
Mother: HANNAH


siblings:-
HENRY LOVATT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 MAR 1830 Saint John, Burslem, Stafford, England
ANN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 FEB 1827 Saint John, Burslem, Stafford, England
ROSANNA LOVATT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 APR 1835 Burslem, Stafford, England
ANN LOVATT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 FEB 1827 Saint John, Burslem, Stafford, England
PHEBE LOVATT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUN 1832 Saint John, Burslem, Stafford, England

sister Rosanna, so looks to be a family name.

I hold the marriage certificate for Thomas Durber and Ann Lovatt in 1844.Thomas's father given as a Daniel Durber(Carpenter) and Ann's given as a Job Lovatt.

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William Russell Jones.

the marriage to Ann Lovatt:-

Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%)
BARNETT Sarah Stoke on Trent 17 174
Davies Hannah Stoke on Tr 17 174
xxxxxx DURBER Thomas Stoke on Tt 17 174
KELLY Martha Stoke on Tr 17 174
LOCKER George Stoke on Trent 17 174
xxxxxx LOVATT Ann Stoke on Tt 17 174
MARTIN William Stoke on T 17 174
MELLOR John Stoke on Trent 17 174


and this death would fit with my theory of a second marriage:-

Deaths Mar 1846 (>99%)
DURBER Ann Wolstanton &c 17 206

Without complicating matters,I have also not found Ann Lovatt's parents Job and Hannah Lovatt in 1851.

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William Russell Jones.

Do you know the maiden name Rosanna's mother?

I found this marriage, which is after the birth of Rosanna:-

Marriages Dec 1848 (>99%)
BOOTH Charlotte Wolstanton &c. 17 357
xxxxxx DURBER Thomas Wolstanton 17 357
FROST Mary Wolstanton &c. 17 357
Jude Mariah Wolstanton 17 357
Knight Daniel Wolstanton 17 357
Moody Charles Wolstanton 17 357
xxxxxx Morsley Ann Wolstanton 17 357
SIMPSON Robert Wolstanton 17 357
xxxxxx WEARVELL Ann Wolstanton 17 357

.....so if she was born before this marriage, then maybe her mother died and Thomas remarried so Rosanna may have been staying with her mother's family?

The 1851 Census for Rosanna's parents is correct,her parents are as on the Tree.I'm descended from the Henry.There is also another sister Mary Ann born c 1848 who was to marry a William Thomas in 1867,also not found in 1851.

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William Russell Jones.

The tree i have seen has her parent's as Thomas Durber c1818 Burslem & Ann Lovatt c1827 Burslem.

T x

Do you have Rosanna's parents' names please? Her birth certificate or marriage certificate? Siblings?

Thanks,yes I've searched and searched in 1851.The family shown I've seen before,the children being George and Elizabeth's.The Tree is largely correct,without blowing my own trumpet,most of the info came from me!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Scratch the last one... according to the tree i have found on Ancestry the parents of Rosanna are Thomas & Ann.

1851 RG number: HO107 Piece: 2003 Folio: 195 Page: 6

Reg. District: Wolstanton Sub District: Burslem
Address: Hotlane, Sneyd, Burslem, Stoke Upon Trent County: Staffordshire
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DURBER, Thomas Head Married M 30 1821 Carpenter Burslem Staffordshire
DURBER, Ann Wife Married F 24 1827 Burslem Staffordshire
DURBER, Henry Son M 2 1849 Burslem Staffordshire
DURBER, Daniel Son M 0 (4 MOS) 1851 Burslem Staffordshire

This census also has the 2 other siblings born after Rosanna.... Also listed on this tree.

So, yes, where's Rosanna?

Going to check the image to see if she's just been missed off :-)

T x

Nope she's not on the original... it's possible her parents forgot about her when they filled out the form... :-0

Births Sep 1845

DURBER Rosanna Wolstanton 17 261
DURBER Rosanna Wolstanton &c 17 268


Not finding her yet in 1851 - but I guess you have already tried hence the offer of extra brownie points!

This tree also has George Clarke & Rosanna Durber listed as George's parents.

Married 5 Jun 1865.

Rosanna's birth is 1846 and death is 1881

Rosanna's parent's are listed as Thomas Durber & Ann Lovett.

No 1851 listed.

T x

:-D

OK, I agree we are maybe going off the beaten track a little.

I have found a family tree with Mount Zion Clarke on it.

Born 1897, Mother Mount Zion Matthews and father George Clarke.

Rosanna Clarke is listed as being the eldest sibling.

Mount's birth is listed as roughly 1866.


T x

:-D

Rosanna Durber was born in c 1846.special brownie points will be awarded to anyone finding her in 1851!

Regards
William Russell Jones.