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I could be wrong about the middle name, everyone in our family has always said that was his middle name, but not sure where it came from, so do you think the register above is the right one? and Isabellas maiden is Povey?

How strange...why have they got two daughters called Mary??

1891 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Saml
Address: 26, Elliott Street, Bradford, Manchester


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COOPER, Saml Head Married M 20 1871 Iron Labourer
Burnley
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Isabella Wife Married F 21 1870 Machinist
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Ann Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891
Openshaw
Lancashire VIEW
DUMM, Mary Boarder Single F 19 1872 Jack Tenter
Openshaw
Lancashire VIEW

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1871 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Samuel
Address: Portland Street, Ashton Under Lyne


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COOPER, John Head M 46 1825 Derbyshire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Wife F 46 1825 Derbyshire VIEW
COOPER, E H Daughter F 17 1854 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Sarah Daughter F 14 1857 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 24 1847 Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Hannah Daughter-In-Law F 25 1846 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Lucy E Granddaughter F 4 1867 Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Samuel Grandson M 1 1870 Lancashire VIEW

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This one has a grandfather called John...maybe he got it wrong on the marriage cert or his father is really john but was called William??

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Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
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BAILEY Hannah Ashton 8d 821
Cooper William Ashton 8d 821

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Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
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COOPER Samuel Buffrey Ashton 8d 432

Same family living in Dunkinfield where Samuel also mentions on a census

1861 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, John
Address: Tame Valley, Dukinfield


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COOPER, John Head Married M 34 1827 Grocer & Self Acting Minder
Heaton
Derbyshire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Wife Married F 34 1827 Grocers Wife
Raemoir
Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 14 1847 Self Acting Piecer
Stalybridge
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Elizabeth Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 7 1854 Scholar
Dukinfield
Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 11 1850 Scholar
Dukinfield
Cheshire VIEW >>>should be 4
GORDON, John Boarder Widower M 63 1798 Labourer
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Staffordshire VIEW
COOPER, Sarah Visitor Widow F 68 1793 Formerly Cotton Weaver
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

Not sure maybe they couldn't think of anything else haha, what do I do if I want help finding information on Mary Ann cooper (my great grandmother birth 1891) am I ok to post that question in this thread? If so what I want to find out is, if there is any records of her living with anyone other than the cooper family after 1910 and if there w anyway of finding out if she got married, would her martial status be on the death certificate perhaps?

Do you know when she died? did she die as a Cooper?

Do you have any thoughts about the Samuel I found?

I'm not sure sorry, there has been talk that my grandfather vin cents, fathers name was young but I have found two records for marriage of a Mary cooper to william young one in Leigh bust the dates don't add up to that on the census, and one in prestwich 1920 but that is a Mary Alice not Ann, sorry I'm not more help,

Yes sorry I think they all seem to be the right one, which seems to confirm Samuels mothers name as Mary, and on the ones where John is lists as the grandfather, possibly the same thing happen there as with my grandfather Vincent, and maybe Samuel was adopted my his grandparents too?

Hi again, where have you copied these from? And where it says view is that a link to can click on? X

I just noticed on one of the census records that when mary ann (birth year 1891) was 10 they lived on elizabeth street i found a record for a william young (there is speculation in our family that she married a man by this name) who lived on elizabeth street also, I am probably getting ahead of myself but I have just become very excited!! thanks for all your info Jax!!

possibly???

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
YOUNG William COOPER Mary Ann Baptist Church,Leigh Wigan & Leigh A67L/1/38

Hiya, Ive seen register for that marriage and it says that the mary ann in this record is 27, but it doesnt add up with the 1911 census as she is 20 on that, there is another record for 1920 but not sure if thats right, i think i have had a break through with samuels father john, someone found a census where samuel was listed as a grandson, and a son called william, i found a later census where william has brother listed as john but just a few years younger, that was 1881 but i am still looking for a record for samuel for that year, census is just whoever is in the house on that day isnt it? so possibly he was somewhere else with his mother, i think i have found a census for 1851 for samuels father john but i only have a standard account and ive already spent loads on credits the last few days :-\

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search.page/results/census_1871/cooper/john?yearofbirth=1851&placekeywords=lancashire&yearofbirthrange=1 if you want to have a look i think its the third from the bottom

1871 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, John
Address: Mount Pleasant, Newton


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COOPER, James Head M 59 1812 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Ann Wife F 59 1812 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 33 1838 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Daughter F 24 1847 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, John Son M 20 1851 Cheshire VIEW >>>>coal miner

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Hmm Im not sure about that i think i might be wrong, this is the census i had found where he was listed as brother there was another samuel on it but he wasnt the right age, but it seems alot of family have the same names

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=john+&gsln=cooper&msbdy=1851&msbpn__ftp=Manchester%2c+Lancashire%2c+England&msbpn=84924&msbpn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5271|84924|0|&msrpn__ftp=Manchester%2c+Lancashire%2c+England&msrpn=84924&msrpn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5271|84924|0|&uidh=uk1&_83004003-n_xcl=f&msbng0=william+&pcat=1881UKI&h=10721745&db=uki1881&indiv=1

I also found this census from 1861

1861 Census Household Record
Address 10, Little Edward Street
Parish Manchester
District Manchester, Deansgate
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name Samuel Cooper
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1823
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Railway Porter
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 2
Name Harriet Cooper
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1821
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 3
Name Elizh Cooper
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Cone Worker
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 4
Name William Cooper
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1849
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Carters Boy
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 5
Name John Cooper
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 6
Name Henry Cooper
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 7
Name Samuel Cooper
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 8
Name James Cooper
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1860
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County

How do you know his father is called John?? Just because that is what is stated on the marriage cert it may not be correct.

You need Samuels birth cert

Yes I have just been going of that really, I hadnt thought that it could be wrong, im getting myself abit muddled up here, with all the different records and what not, why did he have to have such a common name haha!

Hello, does anybody know if you are able to get Electoral Roll records for 1921? I know the census for then isnt due to be released for another 10 years, but i was wondering if i could find that and i could then possibly find out who Mary Ann (1891 my great grandmother) was living with at the time?

Thanks

hello, i was wondering if anyone could help me find out more information about Elizabeth Povey, Isabella (my great grandmother)'s sister, she was borm around 1868 in manchester, her father is thomas povey and mother ann povey, i am looking for any information really, i am trying to was forward now to try and find any living relatives, so any help would be much appreciated :)