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Ok this woman has given me issues for 5yrs!!! If I could go back in time I would strangle her for what shes done, but i guess she had her reasons...
On her wedding certificate she is listed as Mary Ann Clarke, her husband is listed as George Wilfred Charles Murray,
Her parents are listed as William Alexander Clarke and Hanna Bodel

I find out now his real name was George Frederick Charles Murray... He is listed as this name on his war certificates and death certificate (which has his kids listed which varified it is him and also same parents on his death as marriage certs etc)

So, I have sorted out HIS real name but not hers.... She was born around 1883, she lived in redfern and newtown nsw, I have her death cert and her marriage cert which say same parents names. But I cannot find her birth or ANYTHING about them. on her death cert and wedding cert it says she was born in Goulburn NSW and my nan remembers going to Lithgow area with her and Mary Ann told her this big farm was where she grew up...
She did get an inheritance around 1940 but we do not know who from.
she had children Rose Vera, Alma Irene, George Anzac Jack, Arthur Alfred William, Ronald A,


Well the issue is she told my grandmother that HER name was Mary Ann Bodel. And i am quite sure nan said that on her mothers wedding cert and death cert it states her name as Mary Ann Bodel...

The story is that Mary Ann was estranged from her parents (maybe because of her choice of partner)

So I need to find info on Mary Ann Clarke apparently born in Goulburn, to parents William alexander clarke, and hanna bodel.
Maybe the parents were not married or maybe they were married in a different state? or maybe the names have been changed slightly as we saw on her wedding cert with george frederick charles being called george wilfred charles...
it just puzzles me that her name is bodel on her daughters death and marriage certificates.

someone please help meeee :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S

Well this seems too much to be a coincidence!

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Mary Ann Bodle
Name: Mary Ann Bodle
Birth Date: 1881
Father's Name: Alexander Willi Bodle
Mother's Name: Hannah
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Place: Goulburn, New South Wales
Registration Number: 9867

And this seems to be her parents marriage

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Alexander William Bodle
Name: Alexander William Bodle
Spouse Name: Hannah Clarke
Marriage Date: 1877
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Goulburn, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Number: 2883


I would take a guess that the person registering her parents marriage got the surnames the wrong way around! (On the copy of the cert that you have)

And her fathers birth:

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Alexander W Bodle
Name: Alexander W Bodle
Birth Date: 1849
Father's Name: Robert Bodle
Mother's Name: Anne
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1849
Registration Place: Bungonia, Goulburn, Goulburn Plains, Lake Bathurst, Marulan, New South Wales
Volume Number: V18491576 35

Yep that has to be her, great work Ginny!

And spelt BODLE not BODEL.

Alexander & Hannah had other children:
William A 1886 Argyle
Frank 1888 Argyle
Leslie R 1890 Argyle

Seems Mary Ann was named after Alexander's mother:

11204/1938
BODLE ALEXANDER WILLIAM
[father] ROBERT
[mother] MARY ANNE
[district] GOULBURN

15373/1925 BODLE HANNAH
[father] RICHARD
[mother] ANN
[district] GOULBURN

The Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 26 April 1938, p.8
BREADALBANE RESIDENT'S DEATH.
GOULBURN, Monday.
The death occurred in St. John Of God Hospital, Goulburn, of Mr. Alexander William Bodel, 86, a resident of Breadalbane. As a young man he drove a bullock team on the Breadalbane Plains during the seventies of last century, when he travelled a fine team as far afield as Temora. Sixty years ago he married and bought the property known as The Plains and lived there until his death. There are six sons and two daughters. Mrs. Bodel died 12 year ago.

So there are 2 more sons and another daughter somewhere!

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Hannah Clarke
Name: Hannah Clarke
Birth Date: 1851
Father's Name: Richard Clarke
Mother's Name: Ann
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1851
Registration Place: Goulburn, New South Wales
Volume Number: V18511743 68

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Hannah Bodle
Name: Hannah Bodle
Death Date: 1925
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Ann
Registration Year: 1925
Registration Place: Goulburn, New South Wales
Registration Number: 15373

Didnt see you there Cherilyn ~~~~~

I should be in bed, not sat here drinking tea and playing on here!

Carissa,

Ginny beat me to it, there are a couple of siblings to Mary Ann

Reg No/Yr: 9867/1881
Surname: Bodle
Given Names: William A
Birthplace: Argyle

Yr/Reg No: 14365/1888
Surname: Bodle
Given Names: Frank
Birthplace: Argyle

Yr/Reg No: 4186/1890
Given Names: Leslie R
Birthplace: Argyle

Leslie Richard married in 1921 to Ida Elizabeth STIFF (reg 961, Rockley district). He died in Burwood 1964 (reg 32658) and Ida in 1973 (reg 58945), also in Burwood.

William Alexander died 1964 in Sydney (reg 179). No marriage found.

Frank died in 1963 in Goulburn (reg 32825). Also no marriage found.

See NSW bdm online.

Haha hi Ginny & MeJoy. Almost lunchtime here!!!

Looks like we all were doing this at the same times.

Joy

Ginny, hop into bed & enjoy your dreams!! Cherilyn have a nice lunch, hope your weather has been better than here in Victoria.

Regards, Joy

Yes Joy, not too bad now, has been a bit rainy but we need it here!!! Need some nicer weather for school hols next week. :-)

Leslie served in WWI, enlisting 1915 aged 24 and was wouned twice - he was a railway officer in civilian life.

Bodle Leslie Richard : SERN 835 : POB Goulburn NSW : POE Liverpool NSW : NOK M Bodle Mrs

Probably daughters of Leslie:

BODLE GWENDOLINE PATRICIA : Service Number - NX148313 : Date of birth - 07 Nov 1922 : Place of birth - BOWRAL NSW : Place of enlistment - CONCORD NSW : Next of Kin - BODLE LESLIE

BODLE RITA JOAN BODLE : Service Number - NF455399 : Date of birth - 28 Sep 1924 : Place of birth - PARKES : Place of enlistment - PADDINGTON NSW : Next of Kin - BODLE LESLIE

Their marriages:

10225/1947
SCATTERGOOD STANLEY MAWSON
BODLE GWENDOLINE PATRICIA
ASHFIELD

They had a daughter born 7/10/1948 at King George V Hospital. No name given in notice unfortunately! And a daughter named Dawn born 1951 at same hospital.

1340/1948
O'SHEA LEONARD JAMES
BODLE RITA JOAN
ASHFIELD

The Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday 23 September 1950
BODLE-SPARKS.-The Engagement is announced of Hazel Eileen, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs F. A. Sparks of Trunkey to Alan Joseph, second son of Mr and Mrs L. R. Bodle of Croydon.

Have you got the wrong marriage details for Mary Ann? This seems to be the one that you mention

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Mary A Clarke
Name: Mary A Clarke
Spouse Name: George W C Murray
Marriage Date: 1909
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Number: 10038

Mary Ann Bodle was bornin Goulbourn so this lady might not be your girl

Ok I'm confused...have you found a marriage for Mary Ann BODLE b. 1881?

Carrisa hasn't said Mary Ann was married in Goulburn, only that she was born there.

Everything seems to fit, all explained by a slack registrar who mixed up the surnames on the marriage reg! :-)

No I cant find another marriage for Mary Ann Bodle?

Edit: There is another Mary Ann Bodle born in the same place in 1876

Sorry I edited as I got confused! I cant find a death for Mary Ann?

Hmmm.....off back to bed me thinks :-)

I will throw a spanner in the works -

I don't think their names were incorrectly swapped around, Mary Ann was born a Bodle.

Carissa said that there was a falling out in the family, is it possible that she went and changed to her mother's maiden name instead!!

Joy

Yes that could be true too. Being a tricky girl, just to confuse her descendants!!!

Alexander's father's death?
5161/1883 BODLE ROBERT WILLIAM DIED GURRUNDA [district] GOULBURN
From NSW Records you can order this record for $15, not sure what it shows (relates to death duty):
BODLE Robert Gurrundah 13/01/1883 11/06/1883

Here is the whole family, including missing children as listed in AW's obituary - the two boys were reg as BOODLE!:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=monaropioneers&id=I235663

See also http://gundaroo.info/genealogy/cemeteries/mutmut/mutmut.txt

oh wow!! sorry i went out to get groceries etc and came back to all of this info!!! You guys are the best!!!
Yes i was assuming she had switched the names on her wedding cert to deter their parents.
I would say this solves the problem i have had all of these years
wooohooo i am so happy thankyou!! it is too too right to be a coincidence!!!!

i had felt guilty calling her naughty ancestor LOL but hmmmmm LOL
thankyou all! you are wonderful