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Karen
Patrick falconer is son of Patrick Forkin
And Margaret Falconer Waterford Ireland.

He also had a twin brother Stephen and three
Other brothers , Dennis, Michael Joseph and
Christopher

Gary.

I think they'd have the same Image Number

It is very strange that a Mary Collins also went to Wayne - I wonder if John Falconer went there later as he already had family there.
I have not heard of a James Tattan so far. Marys children were both born in Cork in the early 1890s so she would have had to return to ireland and then go back to Wayne later.

I have found these marriages
one for Patrick Falconer and the other for Mary Collins
Would the image numbers be the same if they married each other?

Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 for Mary Collins
Name: Mary Collins
Registration District: Cork
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1890
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101256
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 97
Digital Folder Number: 4179388
Image Number: 00265


Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 for Patrick Falconer
Name: Patrick Falconer
Registration District: Cork
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1890
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101256
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 97
Digital Folder Number: 4179388
Image Number: 00269

strange this one - whilst looking for the right Mary Collins I found this -

Mary Collins Compact Disc #145 Pin #4070413 Pedigree
Sex: F
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Event(s)
Birth: May 1872
Ireland
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Parents
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Marriage(s)
Spouse: James Tattan Disc #145 Pin #4070305
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Other Event(s)
Arrival: 1877
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Personal Information
Residence: 1900
Detroit City, Wayne, Michigan
Residence: 1910
Detroit Ward 12, Wayne, Michigan

Sorry Ann!
I have Smiths on 3/4 of my lines so it could be worse!

I ve found four that have a baptism that may tie in with with the dob as census suggests but not sure how to fine tune it.
I am hoping if I can find a marriage for Mary and Patrick it might have some more clues.

Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SOUTH PARISH
Baptism of MARY COLLINS of N/R on 9 June 1872
Name MARY COLLINS
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father JEREMIAH COLLINS
Mother MARY DONOVAN
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 JOHN COUGHLAN
Sponsor 2 KATE DONOVAN
Recorded Parochial Area ST. FINBARR'S SOUTH, CORK
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R N/R CR-RC-BA-115853 cork & ross.st. finbarr's south, cork.p4779.00332

Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SOUTH PARISH
Baptism of MARY COLLINS of N/R on 17 June 1872
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Name MARY COLLINS
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father CORNELIUS COLLINS
Mother JANE TWOMY
Further details in the record
Sponsor 2 CATHERINE DUGGAN
Recorded Parochial Area ST. FINBARR'S SOUTH, CORK
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R N/R CR-RC-BA-115864 cork & ross.st. finbarr's south, cork.p4779.00332

Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SOUTH PARISH
Baptism of MARY COLLINS of N/R on 7 May 1874
Name MARY COLLINS
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father MICHAEL COLLINS
Mother ELLEN ROBINSON
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 JOHN CALLAGHAN
Sponsor 2 CATHARINE HUN-
Recorded Parochial Area ST. FINBARR'S SOUTH, CORK
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R N/R CR-RC-BA-117366 cork & ross.st. finbarr's south, cork.p4779.00373


Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SS. PETER & PAUL
Baptism of MARY COLLINS of N/R on 29 December 1872
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Name MARY COLLINS
Date of Birth 24 December 1872
Address N/R
Father MAURICE COLLINS
Mother HANNAH BURKE
Further details in the record
Recorded Parochial Area ST. PETER & PAUL'S, CORK
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R 79 N/R CR-RC-BA-276422 cork & ross.st. peter & paul's, cork.p4787.00231

Doesnt really help does it?!!

groan - there's a stack of Mary Collins' born 1873 Cork :-(

Here are the details I have so far on John Falconer's parents and sister.
It would be great to have Mary Collins parents and siblings. Violet remembers her Grandma Mary talking about Michael Collins but not sure where he fits in or even if he does.

John Falconer's mother was Mary Collins
born approx 1873 Cork
She died 1940.


Violet (Mary's grandaughter ) thought Mary was married to a John Falconer but I think she was married to a Patrick Falconer as shown in the 1901 and 1911 census for Cork.

1901 census
Residents of a house 5 in Needham Place (Cork Urban No. 5, Cork)


Falconer Patrick 33 M Head Roman Catholic
Born Waterford
Occupation:Linotype Operator
Can read and write English Language
Married -

Falconer Mary 29 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Born Co Cork -
Can read and write English
Married -

Falconer Madgie 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Born Cork
Scholar
Can read and write English Language - -

Falconer John 7 Male Son Roman Catholic
Born Cork
Scholar
Can read and write English Language - -

In the 1911 census it show Mary and Patrick had had 3 children but only 2 survived.

John Falconer had a sister Margaret (Madge/Madgie) Falconer.

She married a Frederick J Perry:
Marriage Record
Name Margaret M Falconer
Year of Marriage 1920
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District West Ham
Registration County Essex
Spouse's Surname Perry
Volume Number 4A
Volume Page 907

Spouse Match: Margaret M Falconer married Frederick J PERRY
They had 3 children Mary born 1921, Violet born 1925, Frances born 1925
Thank you for the time and trouble you have taken to help me

Kind regards

Karen

Add them here Karen - will take a look tomorrow night.

This is John at home with his mother and father in Cork

1911 census
Residents of a house 4.3 in Barrack Street
Cork No. 5 Urban (part of), Cork)

Falconer Patrick 41 1870 M Head R Catholic Co Born Waterford Compositor
He could read and write English
Married - - - -

Falconer Mary 38 1873 F Wife R Catholic Co
Born Cork -
Can read and write English
Married - 20yrs 3 children born 2 survived

Falconer Margaret 18 1893 F Daughter R Catholic
Born Cork City -
Can read and write English
Single - - - -

Falconer John 17 1894 M Son R Catholic
Born Cork City
Occupation Draper Sweeds ?
Can read and write English
Single - - - -

John sailed in 1912
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924 for John Falconer
Given Name: John
Surname: Falconer
Last Place of Residence: Cork, Ireland
Date of Arrival: 01 Sep 1912
Age at Arrival: 18y
Ethnicity: British, Irish
Port of Departure: Queenstown
Port of Arrival: New York
Gender: Male
Marital Status: S
US Citizen:
Ship of Travel: Campania

I have also got stuck with Johns mother and father should I put them on a new post or add them here?

Karen

Me again

I forgot to press refresh button so id missed all those amazing messages you had written so my last message is out of context!

You are amazing.

Thank you so much for helping.
I really do need to sleep now.
Karen :-)

This may be him as his father was called Patrick Falconer and the date of birth is the same. It would appear its not just the women who switch names in this family! I have no other record gidving him the middle name Patrick though.

Thank you Ann and Marie Celeste for your help.

I have to call it a night as I have to get up for work in 6 hours. Its not a good look on a Monday!

Thank you again - you are all amazing.

Karen

name: Patrick Falconer
registration district: Cork
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1890
volume number: 5
page number: 97
digital folder number: 4179388

parents: Thomas Falkner,? Johannah Power


name: Patrick
gender: Male
baptism/christening place: 709, PORTLAW, WAT, IRE
birth date: 23 Mar 1870
birthplace: Portlaw, Wat, Ire
father's name: Thomas Falkner
mother's name: Johannah Power
indexing project (batch) number: C70143-6
system origin: Ireland-VR
source film number: 101208

parents: Thomas Falkner,? Johannah Power


name: Patrick
gender: Male
baptism/christening place: 709, PORTLAW, WAT, IRE
birth date: 23 Mar 1870
birthplace: Portlaw, Wat, Ire
father's name: Thomas Falkner
mother's name: Johannah Power
indexing project (batch) number: C70143-6
system origin: Ireland-VR
source film number: 101208

mmmmmmmmmmmm

spouse: A. Wilbert Hayes


groom: A. Wilbert Hayes
groom's age: 31
groom's estimated birth year: 1883
groom's birth date: 1883
bride: Axa M. E. Lofgren
bride's age: 23
bride's estimated birth year: 1891
bride's birth date: 1891
marriage type: Marriage
marriage date: 25 Sep 1914
marriage place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
digital film number: 4272252
:-( :-(

you are very clever MC!!!!!

parents: Sanford Lofgren,? Maria Lofgren


name: Axa Lofgren
birthplace: Illinois
relationship to head of household: Daughter
residence: Joliet Ward 1, Will, Illinois
marital status: Single
race : White
gender: Female
father's birthplace: Sweden
mother's birthplace: Sweden
family number: 340
page number: 21

parents: John Falconer,? Axa Falconer


name: Margaret Falconer
event: Census
event date: 1930
event place: Detroit (Districts 0001-0250), Wayne, Michigan
gender: Female
age: 14
marital status: Single
race: White
birthplace: Illinois
estimated birth year: 1916
relationship to head of household: Daughter
father's birthplace: Irish Free State
mother's birthplace: New York
enumeration district number: 0202
family number: 18
sheet number and letter: 15B
line number: 65
nara publication: T626, roll 1039
digital folder number: 4609279

so Axa is the mother of Frances

parents: John Falconer,? Axa Falconer


name: Francis Falconer
event: Census
event date: 1930
event place: Detroit (Districts 0001-0250), Wayne, Michigan
gender: Female
age: 12
marital status: Single
race: White
birthplace: Illinois
estimated birth year: 1918
relationship to head of household: Daughter
father's birthplace: Irish Free State
mother's birthplace: New York
enumeration district number: 0202
family number: 18
sheet number and letter: 15B
line number: 66
nara publication: T626, roll 1039
digital folder number: 4609279

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