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You are not a pain Terry but you DO have a very difficult one here!

The baptism seem to be the only record in existance of these people, unless you know otherwise?

Perhaps you could give us the details you have on Robert + Louisa (your relatives), who were at the same address in 1898?

We may be able to connect for you from there?

Dea Xxx

Dea.
This certainly is a strange one,I know quite alot about Robert & Louisa now but while looking at the baptism page I saw the percy and Ada one and thought there must be a connection.
And knowing the people like you who help people like me out I just thought it might just come together,
thank you and the others for your time.
Terry

Terry - I am very curious - there must be a connection somewhere!

If you want to put some details up for your Robert + Louisa, maybe we could follow them through and find the link ??

Dea Xxx

Hi Dea.
Im not sure if you can get this up but there is a post on Robert Hope dated the 8th Oct 2009,it may be easier to look at this rather than me trying to explain,sorry hope you dont mind.

Hi Terry,

Just seen your post - am looking through the Robert Hope thread now and will do some 'proper' digging after lunch.

Dea x

Thanks Dea.

Nidging,If you see this Dea,the last couple of days Ive been looking and digging,this might sound a bit crazy,but here goes.
Mary Hope daughter of Robert & Louisa,was Partnered with a Percy Lee,they had a son Percy,now Ive never been able to find a marriage for these two even though they had quite a few children together,but being a Gypsy family they used numerous names for different things,I can not find a baptism for Percy the younger,if this makes sense to you,I can be more precise with dates ect.
Thanks Terry.

Thanks Terry - I had looked but I hadn't been able to find anything more!

If you have more details, please post them and I will take another look.

Dea Xxx

Percy Lee-1879 born Finsburry Park.
Mary Hope-1880 born Childs Hill.
son-Percy Lee-1896 born Willesden.
Thanks Dea.

Do you have Percy's birth reg in 1896 please?

Dea x

Name: Terrance William (Tinman)
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Ada Smith
Spouse Age: 17
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1897
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Wembley
County: London
Borough: Brent
Father Name: John William (Tinman)
Spouse Father Name: Robert Hope (Engineer)

(witnesses, Beatrice Hope, Tilly? Fletcher, addreses, East Acton, and 3,Honey St?. for her)

(Sorry folks, not wishing to confuse, thought this looks a bit odd, apologies if no good)

Chris :)

Hi Dea
sorry had dinner.
Percy 1896.
was Percival frederick Lee.born 8th feb vol 13 page0696.

Hi Chris.
very interesting,I will look this up now.

Hi Chris .
Just had a look grooms fathers name John Colbert not William,blimey its getting more complicated.

1891

COLBERT, John Head Married M 51 1840 Basket Maker
Hadlow
Kent
COLBERT, Wytham Wife Married F 41 1850
Hopton
Norfolk
COLBERT, Terence Son Single M 18 1873 Basket Maker
Plaistow
Essex
COLBERT, Samson Son Single M 16 1875 Basket Maker
Plaistow
Essex
COLBERT, Aldie Daughter F 14 1877 Basket Maker
Plaistow
Essex
COLBERT, Matilda Daughter F 12 1879 Basket Maker
Plaistow
Essex
COLBERT, John Son M 10 1881 Basket Maker
Plaistow
Essex
COLBERT, Sarah Daughter F 8 1883

COLBERT, Maria Daughter F 6 1885
Plaistow
Essex
COLBERT, David Son M 4 1887
Plaistow
Essex
COLBERT, Beatrice Daughter F 2 1889
Plaistow
Essex

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
52 Folio:
179 Page:
42

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
Fulham Enumeration District:
46 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St James

Civil Parish:
Fulham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Gipsy Tent, Town Mead Road, Fulham County:
London

(probably this lot, lol)

Chris :)

no bells ringing here Chris and the terence is 3 yrs of age out,but anything is possable.thanks anyway.

no bells ringing here Chris and the terence is 3 yrs of age out,but anything is possable.thanks anyway.

Having a look at your thread for Leonard Hope i put in Hope births in Willesden as look what i found......Wonder if he is a sibling of Percy's

Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
HOPE Algar H Willesden 3A See M/55
Hope Algar H Willesden 3a seeM55

Births Mar 1955 (>99%)
HOPE Algar H HIGHES Willesden 5f 331

The only thing is i still can't see a marriage for a Hope & Highes

Hi Julie.
I have Algar in my tree as son of Robert & Louisa Hope,but the strange thing is Louisa would of been 44 yrs old,I know it could be right as women seemed to have children very late in life years ago.Algar baptism date is 22nd Feb 1903,and address given as 59 Leopold road,Willesden.
the name Highes could it be Hughes,thanks.