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Hi Terry,
sorry for the delay, just had visitors.
Now I've looked again at the Hope family in 1901 and fanny definately is fanny on census. However Rody aged 13 is female
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Uuummm.........
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Job Smith Name: Job Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 17 Jun 1895
Father's Name: Terence Smith >> Gypsy
Mother's Name: Louisa Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wembley
Borough: Brent
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Leonard Smith Name: Leonard Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 17 Jun 1895
Father's Name: Terence Smith >> Gypsey
Mother's Name: Louisa Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wembley
Borough: Brent
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Louisa Hughes Name: Louisa Hughes
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Terence Smith >>> Engineer
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Nov 1884
Parish: All Saints, Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: Sydney Hughes
Oh crickey........... now I know the Travelling community likedto switch their names....... but come on give us a break!!
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Cinderella Mary Hughes Name: Cinderella Mary Hughes
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1881
Baptism Date: 4 May 1881
Father's Name: Robert Hughes >> travelling Engineer
Mother's Name: Louisa Hughes
Parish or Poor Law Union: Willesden St Mary
Borough: Brent
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1881 England Census
about Louisa Hughes Name: Louisa Hughes
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Sidney Hughes
Mother's Name: Annie Hughes
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England
Civil parish: Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Gipsy Tent and Caravan
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Hawker
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 167
Folio: 104
Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Sidney Hughes 70
Annie Hughes 53
Louisa Hughes 23
Lenard Hughes 15
Ada Hughes 12
Robert Smith 25 >> Tinker from Somerset.
Albert Hughes 2
Timberlina Hughes
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OMD..................
1891 England Census
about Ranny Pikey Name: Ranny Pikey
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Pikey
Mother's Name: Louisa Pikey
Gender: Female
Where born: Childs Hill, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Hendon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Childs Hill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Hendon
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1050
Folio: 75
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Pikey 35 >> Mind Machine... born BRISTOL!!
Louisa Pikey 33
Albert Pikey 16
Luiderville Pikey 14
Brilluess Pikey 12
Ranny Pikey 8
Molly Pikey 4
Leonard Pikey 9/12
It states " These are Gypsies in Vans"
I can't beleive this.... surely it has to be them, all these name changes!!!
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Lily Hope Smith Name: Lily Hope Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 5 May 1902
Father's Name: Sidney Smith >> carman
Mother's Name: Ranney Hope Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Willesden St Matthew
Borough: Brent
DOB;12th July 1901
Address; 63 Oldfield Road
The baptism above this is for Robert Hope Smith, parents Robert Smith, Engineer and Louisa.... at the SAME address!!!!!!
Above Robert Hope Smiths baptism is;
Ada Brown, parents; Charles and Beatrice Brown. Address 65 Oldfield Road
And below Lily Hope Smith is;
Nelson Philimore Lee. Parents; Percy and Cinderella Lee
All these names are intermingled with the Travelling families and also your families.
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Charles Brown Name: Charles Brown
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Beatrice Hope
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 01 Jul 1901
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Stonebridge
County: Middlesex
Borough: Willesden
Father Name: James Brown
Spouse Father Name: Robert Hope >> Engineer
Witnesses; Joseph Harman Alvey and Mary Alvey
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Lol welcome to my family Bats Daug,I know they have been a complete nightmare,as you say name changing every census,just seems like they did not the future generation to find out about them,I really thank you for your time and effort you have put into this,a lot of what you have found I knew about,hope thats not a comedown for you,it just shows me what kind people are on here helping people like me out,if you think the Hope family was a nightmare,dont go anywhere near Beatice Hope husband Charles Brown,my great grandfather their even worse.
Just wanna say a really big thank you again.
Regards Terry
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