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There was a John Edward registered in 1879, so the one in 1911 might be him....darn!

Sally
I wondered if he had changed his name...Hoggard seemed the most obvious choice and there was a John Edward Hoggard (labourer) in a lodging house in Hull in 1911. The form states he was born in Hull in 1882...but there was no John Hoggard registered between 1881-1883 in all Yorkshire and nor can I find him on any census prior to 1911.....

Best wishes

Kim

Sally,
I am going into the LDS family history centre in Hull tomorrow. If you would like me to do any searching for you, please let me know ASAP.

BWs

Kim

Poor Louis :-\

I still think it may be worth buying the death certs to see what they say!

Now, here's a funny thing...familysearch has the marriage of Caroline Jane Moorehouse (widow) and George Anderson in Hull 23 Jan 1879. She was the daughter of Philip Turner (corresponds with the 1835 baptism); he was the son of James Anderson.

But Caroline Jane Moorhouse married George Anderson in Sunderland in 1864...so this looks very much like a bigamous marriage.

BWs

Kim

Familysearch has the marriage of a George Moorhouse and Caroline Jane Turner 24 Feb 1857 in Sutton Bridge, Lincolnshire, she was baptised in Long Sutton in 1835, which fits with the 1861 census above.

Sounds like George and Caroline may have separated and he was not married to Ellen. I've not been able to find a death for Caroline Jane Moorhouse but there is a potential bigamous marriage in Sunderland in 1864. Confusion reigns!

Thanks for all your hard work chaps...............it looks like I may have to give up on Louis.

Regards

Sally

I wonder if this is the same Moorhouse who was ith Ellen in 1871?
1861 census

George Moorhouse
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Jane Moorhouse
Gender: Male
Where born: Ossett, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Hull Holy Trinity
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Humber
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Piece: 3587
Folio: 133
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
George Moorhouse 31
Caroline Jane Moorhouse 26

Yep, that sounds like an Ancestry tree! :-D

A tree on Ancestry has this for 1881 for the Moorhouse family:-

Name: George Moorhouse
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Horbury, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Horbury
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Dudfleet
Condition as to marriage: Widow

Occupation: Engine (Tenter)(Factory)

Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Horbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4580
Folio: 70
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
George Moorhouse 48
Margaret Moorhouse 10
Elizabeth Moorhouse 9
Agnes Moorhouse 7
Mary Alice Moorhouse 5
Eliza Moorhouse 58
Esther Jagger 60

but

they also have this for 1871

Name: George Moorhouse
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Moorhouse
Gender: Male
Where born: Horbury, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Horbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Horbury
Town: Horbury
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Horbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 88
Piece: 4626
Folio: 88
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
George Moorhouse 37
Mary Moorhouse 24 born: Barnsley, Yorkshire,
Margaret Moorhouse 10 Months

........so this George was married to Mary, not Ellen

They also have him married to Ellen Hoggard in 1865
and her death is noted as being 1914
and married to Paul Crottegini in 1875.

The Mary Alice Moorhouse in 1881 census was born in 1875:-
Births Dec 1875 (>99%)
Moorhouse Mary Alice Wakefield 9c 71

so doesn't make sense to me?????????????

Ellen's parents in 1881:

William Hoggard
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Hoggard
Gender: Male
Where born: Rudstone, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Kingston-Upon-Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 5 Spinster Court
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Retired Laborer

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Humber
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4766
Folio: 50
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
William Hoggard 75
Eliza Hoggard 75
Thomas Hoggard 33

Found William James Burns married to Ellen in 1881 in Scarborough, so the 1861 marraige is most likely not your Ellen, I'm afraid, Sally.

Regarding the 1861 marriage, Mary Rex married Thomas Crosby Thompson (familysearch.org).

A potential marriage for Ellen Hoggard:

Driffield 1861 Dec qr vol 9d pg 551

Burns, William James
Thompson, Thomas Crosby
Rex, Mary

This appears to be Ellen in 1851 at St Helen's Lane, Reighton:

William Hoggard head marr 44 ag lab b Rudston, Yorks
Eliza Hoggard wife marr 45 b Folkton, Yorks
Ann Hoggard dau 12 b Reighton, Yorks
Elizabeth Hoggard dau 9 b Reighton
Ellin Hoggard dau 6 b Reighton
Thomas Hoggard son 3 B Reighton

HO107 pc 2367 fol 432 pg 1

I have tried searching the 1881 on surname cro*, gro*, m*r*se and other variants in Hull and come up with absolutely nothing. I even tried forename only searches - again, nothing. Do you have Louis' birth cert - we could then try an address search on FMP.

BWs

Kim in Hull

Sally, do you have Paul and Ellen's death certs?

I did some look-ups in the Hull burials registers a couple of weeks ago and was amazed at how much detail was included - age, date & cause of death, address and informant.

If you would like me to, I can see if I can find these 1914 & 1917 burials.

Best wishes
Kim in Hull

I can't find them in the 1881 census at all, although according to the 1911 census they would have married in 1879/1880.

Could Ellen have been married before she married Mr Moorhouse?

Jill

Hi Kim,
Probably need to buy the birth cert. of one of the children to confirm mother's maiden name.



I don't think any of them got married??????????

He was George William according to the tree on Ancestry, Catherine, though how much credence one can give to those is debatable! :-D

She was Ellen Hoggard (same source) but I can't find a marriage for them.